How Classic Must Be

[Flurryfang]

you are too open minded and your ideas end up in nothingness - too bubble-headed - its unfeasible and ultimately toxic for the community.
It should not even slit up into 2 not to mention 3, but sadly the old zones and the feeling were irrevocably damaged in Cata.

This type of thing will be handled with BfA by visually and gameplay-wise like Arathi Highlands Warfront - or the burning of Teldrassil will also be instanced also akin to the Theramore bomb.
by phasing the zones adjusted to max level specifically and not across the board forever for this to never happen again.

You are putting way too much negative energy into my opnion, like there is no proof at all, that they it will do anything but bring good things to the gaming community. Classic is gonna split up the community no matter what and if Blizzard wants to build on the project, they will have to do it again and again.

[WhiteEagle888]

You are putting way too much negative energy into my opnion, like there is no proof at all, that they it will do anything but bring good things to the gaming community. Classic is gonna split up the community no matter what and if Blizzard wants to build on the project, they will have to do it again and again.

We'll see how it unfolds, but I seriously doubt this would be the right way.
We don't even know how this upcoming split will be handled yet, let alone another one after that.

[Dergiab]

frost mage and aff lock?

Frost mage and prot paladin, though a well geared afflock could maybe pull off that many.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Vanilla in 1.12 was a much different game in terms of difficulty and play style when compared to earlier patches. 1.12 talents and all the nerfs made throughout vanilla patch cycle, made earlier content really easy by the time of 1.12 patch.

If classic servers release in 1.12 patch, the game will be painfully easy and not an authentic classic experience due to all the nerfs made in the previous patches and catch up mechanics implemented.

Think about it this way. Imagine Legion was launching tomorrow but instead of starting in patch 7.0 it would start on patch 7.3 with all it's catch up gear mechanics, buffs/improvements to specs, and ridiculous AP and Concordance from the get go. All content prior to 7.3 would be watered down, irrelevant and unbelievably easy due to all the catch up mechanics and buffs. The exact same thing will happen if vanilla starts at patch 1.12

That's why I want classic servers to start in patch 1.1 with all the original terrible talent trees and specs, original awful itemisation, original pre-nerf raids and dungeons. Because that's the only way to preserve and provide and authentic challenging classic experience.

Why? Just release Classic with the Naxx patch, and as a result, balance the entire game around that version.

[Daffan]

so you want the fixed max level of 60, the old zones with their old quests, the whole of vanilla opened on release but with a lot less bugs than the original.

what about blizzard? they aim to bring the classic experience. you cannot enjoy the classic experience without repeating the cycle that made classic great. that means: you have to progress through the patches, through the content additions that were made over the time to let the player really know that they are advancing and progressing through the game. RPG and MMORPG are about character development and progression and you cannot have that if you just eliminate a lot of early 60 content.

You don't need progressive content release for people to feel "advancing and progressing through the game" Linear raid progression T1 > T2 > T3 by itself does that.

Progressive is a cheap fix model anyway, because once 1.12.1 hits what happens to all the people who did not start at the start? or did not do the content before it was made easy? They get a worse experience. 1.12.1 No changes is bad. 1.12.1 progressive is bad. 1.10 progressive is average. Either way they all end up at the same place, some instantly, some months down the line.

If Classic is to last for a good long period, just buff all the dungeons and raids to accommodate for 1.12.1 talents and itemization. This also has a double benefit of not making 50% of the content a complete joke, or the server a "Waiting for Naxx" Simulator.

[sylenna]

You don't need progressive content release for people to feel "advancing and progressing through the game" Linear raid progression T1 > T2 > T3 by itself does that.

Progressive is a cheap fix model anyway, because once 1.12.1 hits what happens to all the people who did not start at the start? or did not do the content before it was made easy? They get a worse experience. 1.12.1 No changes is bad. 1.12.1 progressive is bad. 1.10 progressive is average. Either way they all end up at the same place, some instantly, some months down the line.

If Classic is to last for a good long period, just buff all the dungeons and raids to accommodate for 1.12.1 talents and itemization. This also has a double benefit of not making 50% of the content a complete joke, or the server a "Waiting for Naxx" Simulator.

but what about the anachronisms? how would you explain someone who just started on the classic realm, that he should pick up herbalism and mining to contribute to the war effort for something which he cannot enter in a long time? if you had seasons, you could try to aim for scarab lord each time but only the REAL passionate people would do that. but what is the point of having everything open from the start? really good players would just rush to 60, skip a few instances to receive as many epics as fast as possible and generate a big gap to the slow pack.

[Deleted]

How are you still arguing with this guy? He's one of the most obnoxious people I've ever seen on here.

He's doing nothing but claiming there's only one single opinion on this matter, and everyone else is wrong. And the best part is this talk about understanding the value of it. He couldn't be more conceited and elitist if he tried.

[callipygoustp]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.


Also no BC servers. Server(s) exist as an alternative to live.
You pay the same sub and can choose which one to play on each time you log in.

Totally, completely, enthusiastically, agree.

[Deleted]

Why? Just release Classic with the Naxx patch, and as a result, balance the entire game around that version.

That's another option, but It's more harder doing it that way, you need to account for many things, changing HP values, Tweaking DPS numbers, virtually revamping every single item stats to fit the correct progression to avoid blue items being stronger than MC/BWL epics, reverting numerous undocumented changes that might break the game, etc

If they just follow the original patch cycle all that will already be done, they just need to patch it in every X months.

[Deleted]

I doubt you would ever keep 13 year old versions. Especially after Cataclysm happened and you had to refactor all the code involving vanilla quests/zones & all that. Otherwise you would receive beta testing for vanilla tomorrow.

Please also take into account that when Cataclysm started development let's assume we were halfway through WOTLK. Which is their biggest expansion subscription wise. Which also means they had the most active developers on the wow project at that time. Nowadays with subscriptions dropping from day to day and millions completely dropping from expansion to expansion the amount of work they have to do for this is insane and not worthy from any development point of view. But as always blizzard will deliver since fanbase > everything.

But you people will still bash on it even thought they make a better vanilla experience than you ever had XD.

They dont have to "keep the code" since source control does this for them. Everyone who believed they didnt have the code probably havent spend any time in development.

Besides, they have already said they have the code:

"J. Allen Brack: We've got some infrastructure stuff in place. We've got an old build that's up and running that we're using for reference. Most of this job is going to be infrastructure: making sure everything can work on a more modern setup."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-big-questions

[Daffan]

but what about the anachronisms? how would you explain someone who just started on the classic realm, that he should pick up herbalism and mining to contribute to the war effort for something which he cannot enter in a long time? if you had seasons, you could try to aim for scarab lord each time but only the REAL passionate people would do that. but what is the point of having everything open from the start? really good players would just rush to 60, skip a few instances to receive as many epics as fast as possible and generate a big gap to the slow pack.

If you make everything buffed nobody would be able to zerg MC in 16 days from Launch. Or do 38-45 minute BWL Speedruns after a few months.

Even Vanilla never had a problem with the slow pack. There were enough players even in 2006 mixed through all T1 / T2 / T3. The problem was they needed more time before TBC and to be centralized so they could find each other. There is never fear of being left behind (the gap), there is always enough people. Getting them in one place is the hard part (Better now there isn't going to be 250 servers)

[Deleted]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.


Also no BC servers. Server(s) exist as an alternative to live.
You pay the same sub and can choose which one to play on each time you log in.

Pffft 1.12.2, clearly not a vanilla true blood player. Comparing WoW and its expansions from start patch to the final one, the differences tend to be rather big, starting anything on the final patch would be a big mistake. Unless ofc you want the "casual" mode you people so seem to fear. Bet next you want heirlooms too :| What next? Flying?

[WhiteEagle888]

Pffft 1.12.2, clearly not a vanilla true blood player. Comparing WoW and its expansions from start patch to the final one, the differences tend to be rather big, starting anything on the final patch would be a big mistake. Unless ofc you want the "casual" mode you people so seem to fear. Bet next you want heirlooms too :| What next? Flying?

What "next" are you even talking about? have you even read though the thread? There is no next, only 1.12.2. Finito.

[Independent voter]

If we start at 1.1, the same patch WoW launched with in 2004 and they patch it on the same schedule as WoW was patched, we'll hit 1.12.1 in a year and a half.

That way we who want an authentic experience get to start at 1.1 and you guys who are used to private servers get 1.12 after 18 months.

Everybody wins.

[Contego]

In patch 1.12.2, people were 3-manning Onyxia :>

[Destructodave]

Yea, Ill be honest it annoys me when these players wanting Vanilla pick the pre-BC patch as the one they want to faceroll the content on.

No, if you really want vanilla you need to start like a normal vanilla player did. I played a release druid. I was like 1 of 7 lvl 60 druids on a high pop server because of how shit that class was. I remember a lot of struggle through vanilla and all of that is wiped away starting on a patch like 1.12.2. It actually annoys me because I have to listen to players talk about how great vanilla is and they aren't even playing vanilla, playing some 1.12.2 on some private server basically shortchanging all the stuff actual vanilla players went through. It also cheapens what I went through as a vanilla player just listening to these people want private server settings.

It should start JUST like vanilla started and be updated on the same schedule, and then you can see what vanilla was really about; not some glorified Pre-BC smash-fest. Get the entire, full, REAL experience. Not a private server experience.

[Ielenia]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-[U]Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.

Just FYI, there were many QoL addition to vanilla through all those patch iterations. Group-wise versions of Arcane Intellect, Mark of the Wild, Power Word: Fortitude and paladin blessings... meeting stones... increasing debuff limit by twice its original limit... If you want no QoL additions, then you don't want 1.12. You want 1.0.

[NihilSustinet]

-Patch 1.12.2 - The last patch before BC

-No QoL additions

-No Class balance changes

-Only bug fixes

-Nothing else

-Preserve that patch exactly as it was. No additions. No subtractions.


Also no BC servers. Server(s) exist as an alternative to live.
You pay the same sub and can choose which one to play on each time you log in.

if they make it 1.12 it will suck. the gear changes they made were too good for how early in release we'll be starting at (assuming only MC/ony is open at start.) 1.12 is the reason rag was killed in the first week or so that nost was up. it needs to be an earlier patch.

[WhiteEagle888]

Just FYI, there were many QoL addition to vanilla through all those patch iterations. Group-wise versions of Arcane Intellect, Mark of the Wild, Power Word: Fortitude and paladin blessings... meeting stones... increasing debuff limit by twice its original limit... If you want no QoL additions, then you don't want 1.12. You want 1.0.

What in keeping 1.12.2 authentic don't you understand?

you know what other things the patches added?
The iconic class quests, weather, new dungeons, the list goes on and on.

So no, I don't want 1.0 where there is nothing. I want 1.12 Where there is everything.
I want the full vanilla experience with everything present at its peak.

[WhiteEagle888]

Totally, completely, enthusiastically, agree.

You know I noticed that your profile pic,the treant form was only added in 2.0. Would you be willing to part with it if that was the case?