Star Wars Battlefront 2

[vindicatorx]

So every f2p game will be labeled as adult, haha, this is so dumb. It's not even gambling, but politicians are working with their constituents and their constituents are majority dumb. So figures. And gamers cheering this in their hate towards EA are dumb. You will rue this day.

putting money into something and not being sure of what you will get if anything is for sure gambling. I guess it's bad to expect a company to sell a complete game that is focused on gameplay rather than how we can get people to dump even more money into the game that is full of bugs, is no where near a complete game, and full of pointless grinding you can easily overcome if you spend another 2-3 times what you already spent in micro-transactions. Yeah, the audacity of people finally saying no more of that shit.

[Aggrophobic]

Clearly you don't understand what them being abled as games of chance does.
So here is a list.

1) Any game with these systems will be labeled as Games of Chance (Gambling). That means no one under the age of 21+ can buy them.
2) Any store that wish's to sell them will need a license to do so. Stores like Amazon,Best Buy,Gamestop will NOT go thought those hoops.
3) There will be ether a new rating label in the US or the A ranting will be changed from 18+ to 21+. If it gets changed to 21+ and these games are given that ranting then its likely no store will sell the game at all.

So the vast majority of games will stay at the price they are at. But other games (Overwatch for example) will ether change there system or get a A rating.

EA is greedy, They are not stupid. They are not going to let games like FIFA get a adult ranting where teen's/minors can't buy the game. Same can be said for blizzard and Overwatch.

The only games that will be effected by this is ones that try the lootbox system.

Oh, no I doubt that.
If you take away systems such as lootboxes and with them a way to make money in games then the cost will go up, overall.

This does not just affect games such as OW or BF. It affects the mobile game industry as well. Even getting laws like this past the wall of lobbyists is going to be next to impossible.

[Elim Garak]

putting money into something and not being sure of what you will get if anything is for sure gambling.

No, it's not. Betting money on something in hopes to get more with a risk of losing it all - is gambling.

Buying an in-game digital box that gives you a random item with explicit description of it giving you a random item - is not gambling AT ALL.

What's next WoW bosses are gambling now? Gambling with a subscription fee. You know like you subscribe to a casino and go crazy in it.

[Aggrophobic]

November 17th: EA “temporarily” removes microtransactions from Battlefront II wholesale, just hours before the game was set to launch. This doesn’t remove loot boxes. It just removes the ability to buy crystals, which you could then use to buy loot boxes. It’s a bold move, but it feels like a band-aid on a much larger problem, namely, a progression system that relies heavily on the randomness of loot boxes. EA does say that microtransactions will be back “at a later date.” The Wall Street Journal reports that this decision was made after Disney head of interactive media and consumer products Jimmy Pitaro sent a message to EA, upset about the controversy.

November 18th: A representative from Lucasfilm tells The Washington Post, “Star Wars has always been about the fans—and whether it’s ‘Battlefront’ or any other Star Wars experience, they come first. That’s why we support EA’s decision to temporarily remove in-game payments to address fan concerns.”

So..After the film comes out, they just turn them back on ?

Again and for the 15th time now: Thay are reworking the system.

Of course there will be microtransactions though. They are giving out all the planed DLC content for free after all.

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Oh, no I doubt that.
If you take away systems such as lootboxes and with them a way to make money in games then the cost will go up, overall.

This does not just affect games such as OW or BF. It affects the mobile game industry as well. Even getting laws like this past the wall of lobbyists is going to be next to impossible.

Yes I hear even the the laws in N.A are P2W.....Micro transactions was never the problem! P2W in full priced games is, that's why players jumped on this so hard

[vindicatorx]

No, it's not. Betting money on something in hopes to get more with a risk of losing it all - is gambling.

Buying an in-game digital box that gives you a random item with explicit description of it giving you a random item - is not gambling AT ALL.

What's next WoW bosses are gambling now? Gambling with a subscription fee. You know like you subscribe to a casino and go crazy in it.

that is like the definition of gambling. "the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes." I hope that clears up your confusion.

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Of course there will be microtransactions though. They are giving out all the planed DLC content for free after all.

You mean content that should have been present in the first place for the original price.

[Aggrophobic]

that is like the definition of gambling. "the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes." I hope that clears up your confusion.

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You mean content that should have been present in the first place for the original price.

Why? There is no lack of content in the game as it is. Thats not what the complaints are about.
Artists coders and other developers do not work for free. Would you?

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Yes I hear even the the laws in N.A are P2W.....Micro transactions was never the problem! P2W in full priced games is, that's why players jumped on this so hard

Of course but that system is removed and has been for days.

[Elim Garak]

that is like the definition of gambling. "the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes." I hope that clears up your confusion.

I don't know whose ass you pull that out from, just stop doing it.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

[stellvia]

"Monopoly", no they have the exclusive license. That's frequently how licensing works for major brands, they can get an exclusive partner who will consistently use the property to make a ton of money. The other end being Warhammer, which Games Workshop licenses to pretty much anyone, apparently.
It's the nature of licensing agreements and it won't change, unless you want to advocate that companies not have actual control over their properties.

And they could be making a ton of money+1 if they didn't give an exclusive license for Star Wars, so I really wonder how much the license payment was. They've had it for close to 4 years now and literally the only thing they've done with it is some crappy mobile game and two shitty multiplayer shooters. From a gaming company with probably the most resources in the entire industry. They had a KOTOR-style game in the works and sent Visceral to the firing squad so they can turn it into yet another multiplayer shooter.

Where are the Telltale Games-style adventure stories? An RTS game? Maybe a slice of life game modeled after Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon? Revisiting the X-Wing/TIE Fighter style games with modern hardware, controllers, or even VR? Etc. Tons of possibilities and we're not gonna get any of it, because EA has the license locked up and will only release a game if it has maximum consumer exploitation potential.

[GennGreymane]

Lets not forget that this anger we see from the gaming community has been bubbling for years. We had games grind out progression in favor of micro transactions like in dead space 3, we had games put what would have once been fun unlockables behind paywalls, and then multiply the mount of said items by several times, the tact on multiplayer only there to get some cash out of you (and dead after a week, thus wasted dev time and money), we had cut content day 1 DLC, we had the DLC that was over priced, we had the season pass (selling DLC before it was announced or any inclination of what wuold be in it), we had 50 dollar season passes for what amounted to like nothing, we had Bethesda lie about the price of their season pass bringing it up 20 bucks because they had some cool "ideas" and then just put in some settlement crap. Now we have loot boxes, and how every single game throws them in

"I am fine with them in a multiplayer game if they are cosmetic only"
1 year later
They are in single player games were the game is built around them and is grinded out tot he point where its advertised you can skip and save time....
They are now not cosmetic only

[vindicatorx]

Why? There is no lack of content in the game as it is. Thats not what the complaints are about.
Artists coders and other developers do not work for free. Would you?

Hi, I'm a software developer. This has been a constant complaint in every major game title since they started doing paid DLC. Just because everyone seems to have forgotten the days where you got a complete game for the $60 you spend doesn't mean all of us have. You think they don't plan to have the first DLC or 2 in the game originally? Once they hit that deliverable code freeze they pull anything not complete start QA testing of the release material and put the incomplete stuff aside to use as DLC. Most of the DLC is near complete at the time the game ships which is why EA is notorious for laying developers off right after a release. Now, they just use contracted developers and renew the minimal staff required to drag the DLC out for a year.

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I don't know whose ass you pull that out from, just stop doing it.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

Dictionary.com is where I got it. Yours is from Wikipedia... You can continue to be ignorant if you like doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

[Acelius]

If they bring it back in the state it was in, Didn't think I needed to be 100% clear on that.

When they come back if its cosmetic shit then I don't care, If its P2W bullshit then I will care. They said in the same post they will be making changes, Ill see what those changes are.

Tbf, they have zero reasons to change it if people buy the game immediately after they remove microtransactions. My prediction is that that in-game currency is gone for now so people will buy the game as we approach Christmas. After Christmas when they have gotten alot of cash, they'll go back to their old self.

People should hold off with buying it until we know for sure what the alternative is. Anything else is putting blind trust in EA and Dice which doesn't seem smart considering this entire mess.

[Elim Garak]

Dictionary.com is where I got it. Yours is from Wikipedia... You can continue to be ignorant if you like doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

Haha, that explains it. Now go ahead and look up definitions for "game of chance" and "for money".
Wikipedia definition is the proper one.

And even the one you used doesn't apply to lootboxes.

Stay ignorant indeed.

[Aggrophobic]

Hi, I'm a software developer. This has been a constant complaint in every major game title since they started doing paid DLC. Just because everyone seems to have forgotten the days where you got a complete game for the $60 you spend doesn't mean all of us have. You think they don't plan to have the first DLC or 2 in the game originally? Once they hit that deliverable code freeze they pull anything not complete start QA testing of the release material and put the incomplete stuff aside to use as DLC. Most of the DLC is near complete at the time the game ships which is why EA is notorious for laying developers off right after a release. Now, they just use contracted developers and renew the minimal staff required to drag the DLC out for a year.

I do remember. I also remember when games were "done" after release, with no patches or extra content at all. You got your 20-40 hours of fun and that was it. If the game had any bug you just had to deal with it.
Getting more of the same game without having to pay $60 again seems like a great deal for the player but also for the developer. It's a win-win.

It sucks when companies abuse this and releases half-finished products but the game we're talking about here has more than enough content at release to be seen as a finished game.

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Haha, that explains it. Now go ahead and look up definitions for "game of chance" and "for money".
Wikipedia definition is the proper one.

And even the one you used doesn't apply to lootboxes.

Stay ignorant indeed.

Why are you guys fighting over Dictionary and Wikipedia? It's about the interpretation of the laws, not some dictionary definitions.

[vindicatorx]

Haha, that explains it. Now go ahead and look up definitions for "game of chance" and "for money".
Wikipedia definition is the proper one.

And even the one you used doesn't apply to lootboxes.

Stay ignorant indeed.

RIght and 2 countries governments and one of the US states have agreed this is in fact gambling. Twist it however you like, you're wrong.

[Torched]

[Elim Garak]

Why are you guys fighting over Dictionary and Wikipedia? It's about the interpretation of the laws, not some dictionary definitions.

This forum has no legislative power, so it's not about laws but whether they are good or bad.

RIght and 2 countries governments and one of the US states have agreed this is in fact gambling. Twist it however you like, you're wrong.

That's a logical fallacy. You present no argument. You have lost.

[Deleted]

This forum has no legislative power, so it's not about laws but whether they are good or bad.

And yet the decisions are being made because of the laws.

[GennGreymane]