New high end content in classic after Naxx

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The big question I have is will they add new content after 40 man Naxx like a 40 man Karazhan with better loot to keep the progression going or its all going to end with Naxx for eternity.

What was cool about classic is that you had very few guilds finishing all the content before new content was being pushed out. I think after a while when guilds have Naxx on farm they may release a new 40 man raid to keep people progressing.

That isn't Vanilla. What comes after Naxx is TBC, the end.

[Lyvefire]

Blizzard is not going to open with anything other than straight vanilla. Why? Because i'd bet good bottom dollar that half the reason they're doing this is to convert a reasonable chunk of those playing on private servers to actual subscribers. It's a good model too, the Wow token has by all counts devastated the gold farming business and converted a a good portion of it to company revenue.

Wow Classic is the trojan horse to conquer the private servers and reap some profit on the side. But to do so it absolutely, without fail MUST appeal to those playing on those private servers. Those people, who in many cases have been playing the same classic for years, are not remotely interested in Classic+. They are dedicated and a decent amount of them makeup the "We want ACTUAL vanilla" crowd. If they don't cater to them at least to start with they lose them, possibly forever, and the private server problem continues, perhaps it becomes even worse and it sparks a resurgence after the negative publicity. Therefore they will start with what vanilla was at an absolute baseline. From then on it will be up to the community they create to decide its course.

Maybe the majority on the classic server will start to embrace the idea of class balances a few months on? Maybe they even want some newer content a year or two later? Maybe it does just burrow into that legacy only niche? The sky is the limit! But anyone arguing that they need all the changes to the winning formula day one instead of when its been sampled and evaluated are really burying their heads in the sand.

[arkanon]

Activition are greedy but they are not stupid. I think they will setup the retail version for casuals, PVPers and dungeon runners while classic will be for hardcore 40 man raiders. They will update both versions of the game with new content. Ideally they will never increase the lvl cap in classic but they will need to add more lvl 60 content to keep people busy after 12 months. The best way to achieve this is more high level raids with better loot than naxx.

Hang on, are you suggesting that someone raiding 40man vanilla is and would be a hardcore raider, while ppl raiding for world first mythic on retail would be classed as casuals? good god, the level of delusion on these forums is off the fucking charts.

[Deleted]

Let's make on thing clear here, people who haven't or can't remember how vanilla was are going to cry if they release new content after a year. Anyone who seriously claim they'll cleared Naxx etc a few months in are out of their fucking mind.
People are going to get A huge wake-up call if they release servers as they were in vanila.

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Hang on, are you suggesting that someone raiding 40man vanilla is and would be a hardcore raider, while ppl raiding for world first mythic on retail would be classed as casuals? good god, the level of delusion on these forums is off the fucking charts.

Yeah he's comparisons were bad but in a sence just. Raids are way more forgiving in retail.

[Deathquoi]

This is comical. The classic bois have been saying for years “all we want is classic as it was”. Now that Blizz is doing that, they’re all saying “well we want new content and revamped systems”. Either you want classic or you don’t.

[Deleted]

I'm gonna need the 55 thousandth and one time, I think I missed your point.

And you don't know what the "plan" is because even Blizzard isn't sure of what the plan will be.

/thread reopened

Oh look another thread!
Let's be honest, it will not be pure vanilla.
That shit is just not gonna fly.

[Deathquoi]

Let's make on thing clear here, people who haven't or can't remember how vanilla was are going to cry if they release new content after a year. Anyone who seriously claim they'll cleared Naxx etc a few months in are out of their fucking mind.
People are going to get A huge wake-up call if they release servers as they were in vanila.

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Yeah he's comparisons were bad but in a sence just. Raids are way more forgiving in retail.

Raids are fair in retail. There was nothing challenging about the execution of most classic fights. The only real struggle was getting the raid composition correct and gearing tanks and farming consumables. The actual fights were a joke mechanically.

[Thage]

A sort of alternate path using Vanilla mechanics, a level 60 cap, and putting in unused ideas like the Outland zone/dungeon/raid (back when Outland consisted entirely of what became Hellfire Peninsula, based off pre-BC representations of the shattered, dead remains of the orcish homeworld), the Emerald Dream zone/raid, the Caverns of Time (Black Morass can be found in the 1.12 map files with a long section including running from the CoT to a bridge leading to a winding spire, which then leads to the Black Morass proper, that was removed for the BC version), that kinda thing, would be cool, but it should be done as an alternative offering to the pure-Classic servers. Call it Classic Expansions and give them their own servers, separate from the Classic servers.

[Leadsop]

Lol, the amount of 'yay vanilla servers now here's the new stuff/improvements/QoL changes we want' topics is mindblowing.

This. Didn't we all know this kind of garbage was coming? "We want Vanilla."

"Wait, no we don't."

Oh Blizzard, what fresh hell have you unleashed.

Even more of this.

[Scottyjscizzle]

They already did, its called retail.

[Deathquoi]

This. Didn't we all know this kind of garbage was coming? "We want Vanilla."

"Wait, no we don't."



Even more of this.

Yup, all the classic dudes got so mad at “you think you do, but you don’t” but apparently they actually didn’t!

[Leadsop]

I truly hope that WoW: Classic will just be a bug-free, performance upgraded version of the original game.
This is what people want, and should get - maybe in the future after we have tried Classic they can expand upon it.

They did. It's called The Burning Crusade. And even Legion.

[Magnagarde]

They have end game content after Naxx already, its called The Burning Crusade...

You've just crossed a terrible treshold.

You've crossed the red line of the "vanilla is the best and most amazing, but could you pls change this Blizzard"-people.

[Imnick]

What if the Dark Portal reopened and we could go to Outland and find out what happened over there? Gain some new allies, maybe fight Magtheridon and some other big names?
Oh and after that, we could deal with the Lich King too! And what's Deathwing up to these days?

[Magnagarde]

Yup, all the classic dudes got so mad at “you think you do, but you don’t” but apparently they actually didn’t!

lol probably the most accurate comment in this entire subsection

[Deleted]

Raids are fair in retail. There was nothing challenging about the execution of most classic fights. The only real struggle was getting the raid composition correct and gearing tanks and farming consumables. The actual fights were a joke mechanically.

Agree, but getting people with specific tallentbuilds together, even meaning people will only be there for support and not contribute to damage like it was. That's going to be even harder then it used to be. People nowadays all ready cry if their hybrid can't do enough damage, let alone do nearly nothing in vanilla.now That's going to be the hardest to get A group build-up for 40man raids. Conclusion is that clearing a raid on classic (not tweeked) will be way harder then retail. If you Want to compare mechanics I would say look at Naxx vanilla vs retail. Getting 8 tanks, 2hansfulls of dps and some hybrid supporters will be a disaster.

[Leadsop]

What if the Dark Portal reopened and we could go to Outland and find out what happened over there? Gain some new allies, maybe fight Magtheridon and some other big names?
Oh and after that, we could deal with the Lich King too! And what's Deathwing up to these days?

Wish there was a LIKE button.

[Deathquoi]

Agree, but getting people with specific tallentbuilds together, even meaning people will only be there for support and not contribute to damage like it was. That's going to be even harder then it used to be. People nowadays all ready cry if their hybrid can't do enough damage, let alone do nearly nothing in vanilla.now That's going to be the hardest to get A group build-up for 40man raids. Conclusion is that clearing a raid on classic (not tweeked) will be way harder then retail. If you Want to compare mechanics I would say look at Naxx vanilla vs retail. Getting 8 tanks, 2hansfulls of dps and some hybrid supporters will be a disaster.

Right, but that challenge isn’t actually fun. I mean, maybe it’s fun for SOME people, but to me, needing 8 geared tanks for one fight in Naxx is not fun, it’s just irritating. Farming basilisks and vultures for hours on end in Blasted Lands is not fun. MCing a mob in LBRS to give 40 people a FR buff after every wipe isn’t fun.

[Deleted]

They did. It's called The Burning Crusade. And even Legion.

This is where people 're wrong. Expanding content only would work. What people dislike about expansions are the changes, not the actual content.

[Magnagarde]

This. Didn't we all know this kind of garbage was coming? "We want Vanilla."

"Wait, no we don't."



Even more of this.

This entire section could literally be renamed to the "We want vanilla, but we don't" section.

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What if the Dark Portal reopened and we could go to Outland and find out what happened over there? Gain some new allies, maybe fight Magtheridon and some other big names?
Oh and after that, we could deal with the Lich King too! And what's Deathwing up to these days?

Oh and what about endangered species? Let us use this game to spread awareness of endangered species.. pandas perhaps?