Is Neo-nazism a real threat?

[The Oblivion]

Um, have you read this study?

yep. here is a nice clip:
The poorest
white neighborhoods experienced murder rates ten times
greater than the richest white neighborhoods; for blacks, the
corresponding ratio was almost twenty to one. It is strik-
ing, however, that the link between income and homicide
weakened substantially over time. For whites, homicide
rates were unrelated to income in the 1986-95 period. In
fact, the very lowest homicide rates were reported in the
poorest white neighborhoods. For blacks, the pattern was
less pronounced. The worst black neighborhoods experi-
enced higher homicide rates in later years, but the rise in
homicides in these neighborhoods was much smaller than
the proportionate increase in the richer black neighbor-
hoods. Murder rates in the 75th to 90th income percentile
more than quadrupled for blacks; rates for the highest 10 per-
cent of blacks more than doubled.

above this section, you can examine table 6

[Mihalik]

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibr...3/9909levi.pdf

1. That study is 30 years out of date.
2. It exclusively measures data related to Chicago. I mpossible to extrapolate nationally.

I also forgot to mention you are moving goal posts again from violent crime to murder.

A relevant up to date national statistic please.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

yep. here is a nice clip:
The poorest
white neighborhoods experienced murder rates ten times
greater than the richest white neighborhoods; for blacks, the
corresponding ratio was almost twenty to one. It is strik-
ing, however, that the link between income and homicide
weakened substantially over time. For whites, homicide
rates were unrelated to income in the 1986-95 period. In
fact, the very lowest homicide rates were reported in the
poorest white neighborhoods. For blacks, the pattern was
less pronounced. The worst black neighborhoods experi-
enced higher homicide rates in later years, but the rise in
homicides in these neighborhoods was much smaller than
the proportionate increase in the richer black neighbor-
hoods. Murder rates in the 75th to 90th income percentile
more than quadrupled for blacks; rates for the highest 10 per-
cent of blacks more than doubled.

above this section, you can examine table 6

Doesn't that correlate with crack cocaine... Which is when pretty much everything in the black community went to shit.

[Mormolyce]

yep. here is a nice clip:
The poorest
white neighborhoods experienced murder rates ten times
greater than the richest white neighborhoods; for blacks, the
corresponding ratio was almost twenty to one. It is strik-
ing, however, that the link between income and homicide
weakened substantially over time. For whites, homicide
rates were unrelated to income in the 1986-95 period. In
fact, the very lowest homicide rates were reported in the
poorest white neighborhoods. For blacks, the pattern was
less pronounced. The worst black neighborhoods experi-
enced higher homicide rates in later years, but the rise in
homicides in these neighborhoods was much smaller than
the proportionate increase in the richer black neighbor-
hoods. Murder rates in the 75th to 90th income percentile
more than quadrupled for blacks; rates for the highest 10 per-
cent of blacks more than doubled.

above this section, you can examine table 6

So you posted all that and still have not twigged that this study is about victimisation rates, not offender rates?

[Daelak]

Do we really even need to discuss the fact that fascist movements are an existential threat to democracy?

I mean, practically by definition.

Shh that hurts the 'neo-nazis have rights and totally aren't an issue' these woke independents have been pushing.

[The Oblivion]

So you posted all that and still have not twigged that this study is about victimisation rates, not offender rates?

im sorry that you are having a hard time reading all the data presented and what it means. lol

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Doesn't that correlate with crack cocaine... Which is when pretty much everything in the black community went to shit.

maybe? Im sure there are many factors.

[Allybeboba]

I don't know about that. Talking back to your elders is punished by stonning. Ancient Jews were kinda notorious for getting stony and stabby over religious matters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

Keep in mind the Old Testament punishment for pretty much anything from fashion choices, culinary preferences to talking back to your elders was stoning.

Except rape. That was ok if the woman was unmarried, you just had to buy her from her dad and marry her as "punishment".

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Prove me wrong with an actual link.

And when a link is provided it will be quickly dismissed.

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Um, have you read this study?

1. That study is 30 years out of date.
2. It exclusively measures data related to Chicago. I mpossible to extrapolate nationally.

I also forgot to mention you are moving goal posts again from violent crime to murder.

A relevant up to date national statistic please.

Surprise, surprise!! Links dismissed on MMOC? Gasp!!

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No, people trying to justify political violence is more of a threat.

Of this you are correct my friend.

Cheers!

[Milchshake]

Do we really even need to discuss the fact that fascist movements are an existential threat to democracy?

I mean, practically by definition.

Reading some of this thread and I got the creeping suspicion that libertarians really don't care about democracy.

This video from The Majority Report with Sam Seder seems to confirm this suspicion. Modern Libertarians always seem to side with fascist. Why do they keep a low profile, or become republican, during a Republic majority in power? Last, are libertarians just total fascist tadpoles?

It's all about property rights and lending plausible deniability to fascists.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Just like terrorists, neo-nazi threats are used to vilify a group of people based on fringe individuals.

[THE Bigzoman]

They have no insutitional power or resources to do anything harmful on a wide scale.

On the other hand, a good chunk of academia proclaim to be Marxist and wear it like a badge.

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The argument about ''supporting the Shariah'' might looks extremely bad...until you realize that this is roughly equal to ''are you for upholding the old testament'' ? (I hate to tell you the answer tends to be fracking obvious in a traditional society...)

A lot of people would agree with that in the USA in 2017, virtually everyone in the Western World until the 20th century, but those people would likely have not gather with stones around Red Lobster to kill the heathens eating shellfish (as forbidden as backdoor shenanigans, and punished the same way).

Now, I concede that the Shariah is presumaby more violent than the Old Testament (but not as much people keep saying) and that Wahhabism promotes an extremely repressive form of Shariah. That Shariah is incompatible with modern western laws, yes. The Old Testament have lots of laws that are as incompatible, but people discarded them over the time (including the meeting of young boys with mister scissor...)

You won't get many people to disagree with the idea that some of the stupidest shit ever written is in the old testament. But the difference you and other muslim apologists miss is the stage judaism and other religions are in relative to Islam.

You don't see many jewish dominated countries stoning women to death for adultery and throwing gays off rooftops. You can't say the same about islamic countries.

[Ahovv]

Are we discussing the threat of Islamic extremism to Iraq in Iraq and comparing it to the threat of Nazism in Iraq or are discussing the threat of Islamic and Nazi terrorism in the United States or even Europe?

Don't move goal posts. Islamism isn't a threat to democracy in the United States or Europe. Right wing extremism is.

I'm not moving goalposts. If you're claiming neo-nazis commit all these terrorist attacks, you're clearly talking worldwide, because that doesn't happen very often in the US. "White dude killing people" doesn't mean Neo-Nazi.

If you are going to claim it's a huge threat to the US based on attacks within the US, then you need to support that with evidence. It doesn't exist.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

I'm not moving goalposts. If you're claiming neo-nazis commit all these terrorist attacks, you're clearly talking worldwide, because that doesn't happen very often in the US. "White dude killing people" doesn't mean Neo-Nazi.

If you are going to claim it's a huge threat to the US based on attacks within the US, then you need to support that with evidence. It doesn't exist.

All you have to do is look at our past...

The republican speakers of the house admits there are Nazi in congress:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8030026.html

They infiltrate politics before and some kkk support have made it into the presidency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klu...tates_politics

They found there way into government and past things like slavery, Jim Crow, and sabotaging the immigration act(hurt there interest in the end which makes it funny as fuck but still they're a thing). It's just that most of the things they do disproportionately hurt their idea of a society or the people they want

[Ahovv]

All you have to do is look at our past...

The republican speakers of the house admits there are Nazi in congress:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8030026.html

They infiltrate politics before and some kkk support have made it into the presidency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klu...tates_politics

They found there way into government and past things like slavery, Jim Crow, and sabotaging the immigration act(hurt there interest in the end which makes it funny as fuck but still they're a thing). It's just that most of the things they do disproportionately hurt their idea of a society or the people they want

So your argument is that because decades ago the KKK existed with moderate numbers, that means there is a current threat? No, that's not logical.

And even if there were a million KKK members *today*, what would you do? Put them in jail even if they don't commit violence? I mean really, you guys are so afraid of nothing. Argue against the bad ideologies, but that's all you can and should do.

We could have an open neo-Nazi in Congress right now and I still wouldn't give a fuck. You know why? Because the points he makes can be argued against and defeated. And honestly, much of our existing policies are already on the level of genocide. For example, the support of Saudi Arabia which is currently blockading food to Yemen. Saudi Arabia is literally causing famine and death throughout Yemen, and the US is silent on that issue. But no, "Neo-Nazis" are the real issue we should be talking about!

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

So your argument is that because decades ago the KKK existed with moderate numbers, that means there is a current threat? No, that's not logical.

And even if there were a million KKK members *today*, what would you do? Put them in jail even if they don't commit violence? I mean really, you guys are so afraid of nothing. Argue against the bad ideologies, but that's all you can and should do.

My argument is that repeating history is a thing and the former speak of the house already said they're in fucking congress. They end lives and have the power to actually pass fucking legislation which makes them a threat. They've actually killed people and done damage. I basically confirmed that they're threat but your going to default to not caring but will still find the energy waste time and effort arguing about a non-issue in your eyes...

I'd debate them and call them out on there ridiculous bullshit.

[Rabka Uhalla]

Except the Extremists on the right kill a whole lot more people than the ones on the left, but sure, you're right. lmao.

Citation needed... oh wait, you won't find any, because you're lying out your ass.

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My argument is that repeating history is a thing and the former speak of the house already said they're in fucking congress. They end lives and have the power to actually pass fucking legislation which makes them a threat. They've actually killed people and done damage. I basically confirmed that they're threat but your going to default to not caring but will still find the energy waste time and effort arguing about a non-issue in your eyes...

I'd debate them and call them out on there ridiculous bullshit.

You mean they have "Killed" one bloated socialist woman who died of a heart attack from being bumped under 2 miles per hour while she was attacking said car.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

You mean they have "Killed" one bloated socialist woman who died of a heart attack from being bumped under 2 miles per hour while she was attacking said car.

They've killed like 14 peoples so far and planned to bomb apartments buildings. How many deaths has anti-fa caused? none but should they be consider a terrorist group fuck yes. Can I get a source for this incident?

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They've killed like 14 peoples so far and planned to bomb apartments buildings. How many deaths has anti-fa caused? none but should they be consider a terrorist group fuck yes. Can I get a source for this incident?

Right, can I get a source for these 14 people killed and these solid threats to bomb apartment buildings?

[sarahtasher]

You mean they have "Killed" one bloated socialist woman who died of a heart attack from being bumped under 2 miles per hour while she was attacking said car.

Of yeah, ''socialist'' being a code word for 'not a squeaking Nazi rat''. As for being ''BLOATED'', how may hot pieces of Aryan meat on the pictures could not even fit in XXXXL Waffen SS costumes ?

I also forgot the rule that those studs can kill everyone they want if they feel threatened in their manhood.

[Everwake]

No, it isn't a threat. It's the same group of hicks it always was in America, but now they have slicker haircuts. We're all led to believe it's "on the rise" by the media, who are forced to churn out drama to compete with one another now that newspapers are dying. Last year it was "black people are getting slaughtered en masse by cops!", and you can see they got bored with that and we don't hear about it anymore. Nazis are chic this year, and next year it will be something else.