So Alliance lost the Nightborne beacuse Tyrande was a dick?

[Faroth]

Yes Tyrande's name calling hurt their feeling's so so bad. Please they have more in common with the belfs thats why they went horde.

Well, when you can have access to the Sunwell, the Well of Eternity, and all the Moon Wells because the Alliance has none of those, it's an easy choice! >_>

[Aquinan]

They did an asspull of Void Elves, so they had to do another asspull so Horde got Nightborne.

Yeah cause the Horde has no race that shared the struggle of overcoming mana addiction....oh wait....

[Steampunkette]

Mechanical limitations, unless you think there were no human Priests during the Third War.

They could've just used human models for Priests and Mages instead of designing elf priests and elf mages. Then, when the Blood Elf campaign happened, turn around and create a couple of new units trained in a new building.

Y'know... like the Blood Elf Workers or the Dragonhawks or... well... you get the idea.

They were art assets and a table entry in the database, not a hard mechanical limitation.

[Rhlor]

Since when are they addicts?

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Let's be real, Horde get Nightborne because they need another pretty race. That's pretty much it

they gave us nightborne because the alliance players spent years crying to play with the blood elf model in the alliance. they had to give an alliance model to the horde to compensate

[pateuvasiliu]

They could've just used human models for Priests and Mages instead of designing elf priests and elf mages.

So all those footmen in Quel'thalas that Arthas fought were actually humans? Okay then.

[Steampunkette]

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It was because of hatred but it was also about territory. Garrosh wanted the whole Kalimdor and later the whole Azeroth. In BfA Horde destroys Teldrassil and Alliance claims undercity. Sylvanas attacked Gilneas to gain territory and it wasn't out of hatred to them. They constantly saying that we shall take this land for the Horde/Alliance. The reason that Nightborne joined the Horde is nothing other than having a place on Azeroth beside Suramar which means that they want more lands for the Nightborne now that they are no longer under the shield.

Yes. Garrosh. The leader that the Horde even fought against wanted more land for more resources to continue fighting the war. That was the whole reason for the invasion of Pandaria. But it isn't the goal of the leaders that has been presented since FOREVER. He also ORDERED Sylvanas to fight against GIlneas to try and take it for the Horde, she didn't up and go "I'mma hunt some Worgen for the lulz"

As to Teldrassil, we don't know what the motivation is, there, yet, only that it happened. And apparently the motivation for destroying Lordaeron is Vengeance for Teldrassil.

I think you're wildly misinterpreting things, here, to fit a specific narrative. Now maybe it -will- be about conquest in the end. Maybe the gloves are off and both sides want to destroy the other. But it's not what has been presented, so far.

[Doffen]

Lol blood elves the good guys.. People really believes that? No, Blizz wrote the story this way so the Horde get Nightborne as allied race. Wich is fair enough. Its just the way they did it. Thats a weak weak way to introduce the NB to the Horde.

The BE and the NB talking about arrogance from the Night Elves? They are all as arrogant as the other. Blizz could have turned it and made the Belf be the bad guys and made it so it "makes sense" for the NB joining the alliance.

The elves(all) are as hypocrits as it gets, blizz turned it this way now and thats what it is. People sprouting nonsense as blood elves are the good guys. Come on.

The real disappointment is that there wasn't more to it that one said something bad to the other once. I guess they made it so Thalryssa can't hande criticism. Thats being 12 years old. I expected more.

[Rhlor]

The blood elves didn't exist when the War of the Ancients was happening, firstly, because their factions were the same. The Night Elves because High Elves and then Blood Elves after the War of the Ancients, some Blood Elves may have even been there.

Secondly, Hyjal? The High Elves were literally there in WCIII as part of the Alliance, are you serious?

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Which are not addicted to anything and, being from Feralas, at least mostly the same culturally.

the ancestors of the high elves fought against Azshara in the War of the Ancients!
those people became high elves look dathremar

[Steampunkette]

So all those footmen in Quel'thalas that Arthas fought were actually humans? Okay then.

So you're saying they limited Kael'thas's building options to building non-human units exclusively in that portion of the campaign for lore reasons, but had no choice but to have the Helves of Silvermoon use Footmen because mechanical limitations made it UNPOSSIBLE for them to have only High Elf NPC options?

Keeeeeeep telling yourself that.

[Malacrass]

Anyone cares to put some meat on the OT's first post?

What are you all talking about? Link?

[Steampunkette]

Then tell me what is the reason that they join the Horde and offer to support them in their war. Why they should participate in the battle at all? They want the war for something.

Because Neutrality would probably lead to their destruction, or at the very least to them having to stay in their little city while both sides fight each other across the world. And they want -OUT-.

They're joining the Horde so they can be with people who respect them and interact with them on even terms, apparently, where the Alliance (or at least the Nelves) treat them with mistrust. They're picking a side because they have to. Well. Really they're picking a side because the DEVS have decided they have to, anyhow.

Conquest doesn't have to be a part of their motivation. Even if they wind up supporting conquistadors.

[rda]

Because Neutrality would probably lead to their destruction, or at the very least to them having to stay in their little city while both sides fight each other across the world. And they want -OUT-.

Unpersuasive.

It doesn't make much sense. How does that work - you decide that you "want OUT" and then you go join someone else's war?? To what - get some street cred??? Meh.

Not seeing how them staying neutral would lead to their destruction either.

No, that's just one more bad turn of their plot. They needed gameplay symmetry, so they bended a couple of stories to go that way with little logic. The usual. They do this all the time.

[Thage]

She should get some sort of a slap on the wrist (butt) from Malfurion at least. Who's with me?

Well, it was mostly because Liadrin did a lot of PR work with the Nightborne promoting the Horde as a source of allies once the Nightborne were ready to enter the wider world again. Tyrande was only in it to bloody Elisande's nose, it just happened that helping the Nightborne/Nightfallen insurrection was the quickest and most efficient way to do that. And the Nightborne remember that when it comes time to pick a side--to Liadrin and the blood elves they were potential allies, to Tyrande and the night elves they were tools.

[rda]

Well, it was mostly because Liadrin did a lot of PR work with the Nightborne promoting the Horde as a source of allies once the Nightborne were ready to enter the wider world again. Tyrande was only in it to bloody Elisande's nose, it just happened that helping the Nightborne/Nightfallen insurrection was the quickest and most efficient way to do that. And the Nightborne remember that when it comes time to pick a side--to Liadrin and the blood elves they were potential allies, to Tyrande and the night elves they were tools.

Why did they have to pick a side? You say "when it comes time to pick a side" - what exactly happened? Sargeras sword poisoning everything? That would kind of qualify but that particular danger wasn't even put into words yet (what specifically is the danger? what are the prospects, etc), so how can we even start assuming that suddenly everyone on Azeroth knew the scale of it? And I see nothing else.

[Steampunkette]

Unpersuasive.

It doesn't make much sense. How does that work - you decide that you "want OUT" and then you go join a war?? Meh.

Not seeing how them staying neutral would lead to their destruction either.

No, that's just one more bad turn of their plot. They needed gameplay symmetry, so they bended a couple of stories to go that way with little logic. The usual. They do this all the time.

You want OUT so you join a faction that is at war and supply them with resources and probably some troops from your military while the rest of your civilian populace gets to travel across Horde Lands and be civilians rather than soldiers.

And them staying neutral while the two sides are at war means that one side or the other is probably going to turn on them for not joining in the faction war after all the help they were given during the events of Legion and/or try to conquer them with superior forces and weapons to gain access to their powerful magic items and shit.

It's an arguable position, at least. And more arguable than "They want to conquer the world based on this one line of text!"

Still, yeah. The reason they joined is the Devs wanted them to join.

[rda]

You want OUT so you join a faction that is at war and supply them with resources and probably some troops from your military while the rest of your civilian populace gets to travel across Horde Lands and be civilians rather than soldiers.

That's you answering "yes, it happens exactly like you say" to my sarcastic question. It's grotesque. Like I said, completely unpersuasive. The motives you are describing are stupid. That's why they look forced.

[Thage]

Why did they have to pick a side? You say "when it comes time to pick a side" - what exactly happened? Sargeras sword poisoning everything? That would kind of qualify but that particular danger wasn't even put into words yet (what specifically is the danger? what are the prospects, etc), so how can we even start assuming that suddenly everyone on Azeroth knew the scale of it? And I see nothing else.

I imagine that's going to be covered in the prequel book and the 8.0 world event storyline, like how the Illdari Demon Hunters came to join the Alliance and Horde in the 7.0 prepatch, pandaren in MoP, a previously-neutral goblin cartel and isolated Gilnean worgen in Cata, and the Death Knights in WotLK. At Blizzcon, the gist of it seemed to be that the Alliance and Horde war spiraled out of control so quickly and grew so large that neither faction is really putting up with neutrality anymore--they're essentially pressing neutral factions into splitting up or picking a side (which I'm convinced is the result of Old Gods doing Old God shit to the top brass so the Alliance and Horde are nice and weak when 8.1 hits and it's time for them to come in swinging).

[NatePsy]

It's a big surprise they aren't neutral, because both faction were there, helping them, equally. Pandas still went both even though the Horde had Garrosh. Unconsistent storytelling, thats what it is. Alliance-players have a good reason to be a bit upset.

Army of the Light joins guess who?.... The Alliance! Annnd who was helping this army? Both factions! Or did you conveniently forget that little number to argue your case?

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Unpersuasive.

It doesn't make much sense. How does that work - you decide that you "want OUT" and then you go join someone else's war?? To what - get some street cred??? Meh.

Not seeing how them staying neutral would lead to their destruction either.

No, that's just one more bad turn of their plot. They needed gameplay symmetry, so they bended a couple of stories to go that way with little logic. The usual. They do this all the time.

Read my quoted response to someone else in this same post, feel it's a bit relevant. Point is, factions choose teams/sides all the time generally on the back of what works for them the most. Tyrande snubbed the Nightborne and they took it as a slap to their face, meanwhile the Blood Elves are being supportive so this leads the Nightborne to find a similar life experience with another group of elves.

[rda]

I imagine that's going to be covered in the prequel book and the 8.0 world event storyline, like how the Illdari Demon Hunters came to join the Alliance and Horde in the 7.0 prepatch, pandaren in MoP, a previously-neutral goblin cartel and isolated Gilnean worgen in Cata, and the Death Knights in WotLK. At Blizzcon, the gist of it seemed to be that the Alliance and Horde war spiraled out of control so quickly and grew so large that neither faction is really putting up with neutrality anymore--they're essentially pressing neutral factions into splitting up or picking a side (which I'm convinced is the result of Old Gods doing Old God shit to the top brass so the Alliance and Horde are nice and weak when 8.1 hits and it's time for them to come in swinging).

Hrm, that would work. No big threat is needed either, it's just A vs H fighting for it all out and pressuring others. And they are fighting for it all out because Sylvanas or someone else started it big with burning Teldrassil and then the A responded strongly and now each side really wants to kill the other.

Well, I admit I didn't think about the A and H pressuring others seriously before. That would be logical, yes. A good reason for the allied races to be *forced* to choose a side - and an explanation why some of the choices were pretty strange (the alternative was / seemed to be worse).

[Rhlor]

The Highborne didn't want to give up on their usage for magic. They were exiled as they wanted it and went to EK and created Silvermoon and also the Sunwell. Their reckless use of magic caused trouble and demons started to appear and then they decided to create the guardians. Sargeras used the guardian Medivh and created the dark portal, The scourge later used to Sunwell to resurrect Kel'Thuzad. They brought this upon their own selves.

Most of the fights they had were to protect their own selves not necessarily Azeroth. But Night Elves fought the Legion and the old gods in emerald dream. These two forces always seek to destroy all life on Azeroth. The Amani trolls can't be considered a threat for Azeroth. The fight between the High Elves and the Trolls was because of the territory gain.

Other than the Satyr war and the war of the shifting sands, the Night Elves didn't have any problem in Kalimdor because it was safe. The High Elves created the trouble for themselves because of the usage of magic and had to deal with it. You can't say that Night Elves were cowards and High Elves were fighters because of that.

you are wrong the high elves made sure that the demons did not arrive. was the humans who invoked the demons