Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[mvaliz]

...no. Way too soon. Sorry, but, no.

It's too soon to ACT on it - but it's not too soon to establish a VERY credible leg to stand on!

Remember, he (Muller) still has to drive his M1-Abrams through Sessions, Kushner and Dumb-Dumb Junior for evidence as well. Muller is smart, and he knows he will need not only ONE piece of 100% testimony/proof to bring Dumbass Dump to justice, but multiple.

[Mormolyce]

Even with their evidence so far, going right after Trump next seems too steep of a cliff to climb.

Bolded for my thoughts.

Probably where I'd put my money.

[Breccia]

Because it probably was illegal.

Well, yeah. That's where I was going with that.

The Team Trump defense backs up another step here. We've seen "Russia is a hoax Democrats invented" to "There was no contact" to "He was just a low-level coffee boy" to this dumbass tweet, "It wasn't illegal, he just hid it from everyone except Trump and Russia".

God, this whole situation...I mean, seriously. What the fuck.

[Arvei]

Incoming Epic Trump Twitter Meltdown in 3...2...1...

Seems like he's already melting down over that acquitted immigrant in California. Adding to this though, he might have a heart attack.

[kaelleria]

Even with their evidence so far, going right after Trump next seems too steep of a cliff to climb.

Bolded for my thoughts.

If Mueller gets fired, he'll be removed from office easily.

I can think of several republican senators that'd join the democrats right now in removing him from office -
Mccain,
Murkowski,
Grahm,
Burr,
Collins,
Flake,
Corker

Not quite enough, but that's just who I can think of off the top of my head.

[mvaliz]

That was fast

https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/...33631992352768

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...31886159499265

So... his point is that Flynn just pleaded guilty to something that's Legal? o_O

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White House Thunderdome commences

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/936628560374071296

Best quote from that Twitter feed:

"I told you that we would be saying 'Merry Christmas' again!"
- Donald Trump

XD

[Brubear]

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...al-prosecutors

Former national security advisor Michael Flynn spoke with a "senior official" in President’s Trump's transition team at the Mar-a-Lago resort to discuss what he should communicate to the Russian ambassador in a highly-scrutinized series of phone calls in December of 2016, according to federal prosecutors.

Flynn and the senior officials discussed both the recently implemented U.S. sanctions on Russia, as well as the fact that they did not want Russia to escalate friction between the two nations, lawyers on special counsel Robert Mueller's team told a federal judge Friday.

After the discussion, Flynn telephoned the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak. Afterwards, he called the senior transition official and reported the sanctions discussion, prosecutors said.

Kislyak later followed up with Flynn and affirmed that Russia would moderate its response to the sanctions, put in place by then-President Obama. Flynn communicated that exchange to other transition officials, prosecutors said.

Flynn on Friday pleaded guilty to one count of providing false statements to federal investigators, thereby admitting to the charges made by Mueller's prosecutors.

According to court documents filed by Mueller, Flynn lied when he told investigators that he did not ask Kislyak to "refrain from escalating the situation" in response to sanctions that Obama had levied on the Russian Federation.

Flynn also lied, the counsel said, when Flynn said he did not ask the ambassador to either delay or defeat a related U.N. Security Council vote.

Prosecutors told Judge Rudolph Contreras that Flynn was told by the senior member of Trump transition team to reach out to other countries to influence the U.N. vote, in an effort to delay or defeat the resolution.

Flynn's misrepresentation of his conversations with Kislyak — which took place in December, before Trump took office — were the justification for his ouster from the White House after just 24 days as national security adviser.

The government's testimony on Friday raises new questions about who in Trump's orbit knew about the nature of Flynn's conversations — and how they learned of it.

Reporting based on leaks of U.S. surveillance in February held that Flynn had misled Vice President Pence about the contents the phone call, saying that sanctions were not mentioned — an account Pence then repeated to the American people.

At the time, then-deputy Attorney General Sally Yates warned the White House that Flynn created a "compromise situation" and could have been "blackmailed."

“We weren’t the only ones that knew all of this,” Yates testified earlier this year, referring to the revelation that Flynn misled Pence about the true content of a December call with Kislyak. “The Russians also knew about what General Flynn had done. The Russians also knew that General Flynn had misled the vice president and others.”

Flynn was interviewed by the FBI in its investigation into Russian interference in the election in January, when Mueller's office now says he made false statements about the phone calls with Kislyak.

The White House fired him 18 days after Yates' warning.

[mvaliz]

Even with their evidence so far, going right after Trump next seems too steep of a cliff to climb.

Bolded for my thoughts.

I just had an amusing thought... what if cowardly Dumb-Dumb Donnie breaks and tries to sell out everybody else under him in a plea-bargain. :P

Of course we will all think he wont cus he acts all gruff and big - but, honestly, when you look at it - that dumbass has never had his ass truely pinned to the wall where he was going to loose everything. The closest possibly would be his first divorce where his wife filed rape charges... and even then he settled out of court. Maybe the second being when he was going bankrupt, but the Russians bailed him out.

This might be the very first time he CAN'T escape unless he testifies. Or, in short, I can easily see him wanting to bring down as many people with him as possible if he goes down.

[Thekri]

If Mueller gets fired, he'll be removed from office easily.

I can think of several republican senators that'd join the democrats right now in removing him from office -
Mccain,
Murkowski,
Grahm,
Burr,
Collins,
Flake,
Corker

Not quite enough, but that's just who I can think of off the top of my head.

The Flynn guilty plea seems extremely generous. Mueller is good to those that help themselves. Throw yourself on the mercy of Mueller and ye shall live to see the outside of jail once again.

On the other hand, the deliciousness of seeing the man that started the "Lock her up" chant getting locked up is very satisfying.

[NYC17]

The Flynn guilty plea seems extremely generous. Mueller is good to those that help themselves. Throw yourself on the mercy of Mueller and ye shall live to see the outside of jail once again.

On the other hand, the deliciousness of seeing the man that started the "Lock her up" chant getting locked up is very satisfying.

Right, and it suggests that what Flynn had to offer is extremely credible, overwhelming, and spares no one.

[Breccia]

what if cowardly Dumb-Dumb Donnie breaks and tries to sell out everybody else under him in a plea-bargain.

No.

Trump is many things, but none of them is someone who admits he was wrong. A plea deal requires such.

[Bullettime]

Right, and it suggests that what Flynn had to offer is extremely credible, overwhelming, and spares no one.

Pretty much. Given they could nail him to the wall for a hell of a lot more, they wouldn't be making that offer unless he had some juicy info on a bunch of others or some people above him.

And in this case, there's not enough Jeff Sessions level people to go after at a similar rank and the only people above him are Trump and Pence.

[alexw]

I don't know... Lying to the FBI is basically the weakest charge they could have gone for. They're definitely going against someone much higher up the chain.

Yup. Flynn is getting a slap on the wrist in exchange for helping take down those higher up the food chain - Mike Pence, Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions, and most of all Donald Trump.

[kaelleria]

The Flynn guilty plea seems extremely generous. Mueller is good to those that help themselves. Throw yourself on the mercy of Mueller and ye shall live to see the outside of jail once again.

On the other hand, the deliciousness of seeing the man that started the "Lock her up" chant getting locked up is very satisfying.

From what I understand, he was facing at minimum a 20 year sentence previously for his Turkey dealings... Lying to the FBI only has a 5 year sentence.

[Deleted]

Time to put on some Rebecca Black and do proper headbanging.

[Bullettime]

Yup. Flynn is getting a slap on the wrist in exchange for helping take down those higher up the food chain - Mike Pence, Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions, and most of all Donald Trump.

In this particular case, they don't even need Flynn to go after Sessions. Sessions is, at best, an equivalent rank and they wouldn't offer something of this magnitude to go after someone at a similar level unless he could bring down a bunch.

Papawhateverthefuck's testimony could be enough, if matched with other evidence, to get people like Sessions given Sessions was their pseudo direct during the campaign. This is 100% a shot at Trump, Pence, Kushner, etc; the actual inner circle and tops in the White House.

[Thekri]

Pretty much. Given they could nail him to the wall for a hell of a lot more, they wouldn't be making that offer unless he had some juicy info on a bunch of others or some people above him.

And in this case, there's not enough Jeff Sessions level people to go after at a similar rank and the only people above him are Trump and Pence.

Not only that, this also probably got his son off the hook completely... if he continues to be nice. Double cross Mueller and Lil' Flynn goes to jail for a lot longer then his daddy.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

I'm ok with a lame-duck Trump and this going on the rest of his presidency, only for afterwards for Mueller to charge and take him down.

[Bullettime]

Not only that, this also probably got his son off the hook completely... if he continues to be nice. Double cross Mueller and Lil' Flynn goes to jail for a lot longer then his daddy.

Yup. 5 year penalty and getting your son off the hook to throw Trump and co under the bus is a pretty good deal.

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To LOL or not to LOL, and just wish 'em a merry season full of joy.