Can Communism be Modified to Work?

[Linkedblade]

No, at least not with our species as it is now. Our planet cannot support the population it has now on the amount of resources it provides. Until then we will not have enough food or shelter for stability. And...even if we did there would still be greedy people who would forcibly take too much and cause instability. Under communism there is no real way for the community to deal with injustice. If there is a police force or a group to govern them, then it isn't communism, it's socialism.

[Chinese Bootlickers]

Is that you Kurata?

[Kuntantee]

Communism, imo, is guaranteed to work if we solve energy and sustainability problems for good.

[Guema]

Yeah, you essentially delete the entire manifest and start from scratch and do most things completely different.

Yeah, bourgeoisie will probably love communism when "new communism" will become capitalism.

I don't think so, because ultimately people are not altruistic, it is in our nature to care for our asses or those of our immediate family (at best) first.

Yeah, absolutly, it is for this reason that ALL orpheans die without an exception, because as child they are weak and dependent, and can't survive with all that human mongrels. But parental link is magic (except for those who abandon their children) keep your parents or die.

No, seriously, Hobbes is religious bullshit. If you think human is a shithead, it's because bourgeoisie have good interest to make you think that.

Reality is : There is no absolute good or absolute bad, and human is not good or bad. Human is good AND bad at the same time, depending of conditions. Spinoza is right. If you refuse to see it you are some kind of obscure sectarian. Your friend help you. you help others. If human was pure bad, we could not even make any kind of society.
we probably could not survive as species, too. But, it happens that you can do bad things. And you know what ? our survivalist brain will remember more when you get hurt that when good things happens to you. It means that our perception is biased, a biased perception, that could probably make some people thinks that human is pure shitass ?

And Yeah, i'm communist, I think democracy stopped it's progress in front of banks and companies. I'm here to fight to make it finish the job it started.

[Doctor Amadeus]

no it cant

[oplawlz]

Isn't it rather telling how people continue to make apologetics for communism by saying that the system is perfect, but unfortunately man is not? Oh if only we could live up to the impossibly high standards required to usher in a utopic age! If only we foul creatures were worthy of Marx's most perfect invention!

I mean, I'm by no means supportive of communism, but people say that because it's true. In an ideal world everyone would do what needed doing according to their own talents and share in the rewards. It's hard to argue with the notion that having no poverty and utter economic equality is a lovely dream. The problems come from those who fail to recognize that it is just a dream.

[Deleted]

All I know is Americans are obsessive paranoid about Communism

[Alefnir]

Yes. By allowing freedom of trade, freedom of speech, and freedom of movement. :P

[Authary]

A for-profit corporation largely works because of human greed yet its still a communal entity that exists beyond family, friends or close community.

I'd argue that a group you're a part of and spend most of your daytime with IS a close community.

[Deleted]

No, next question.

[Theodarzna]

Not really. Marx radically overestimated how malleable human nature is, and did not fully understand group instincts and dynamics nor fully grasped what is totally possible for humans.

[Deleted]

All I know is Americans are obsessive paranoid about Communism

Not really, you are one of the populace with the most sympathisers of communism ammong democratic capitalistic societies. You got marches and riots with social justice warriors waving communist flags, which is the same if not worse than waving a nazi swastica to anyone with a brain.

[owbu]

I think modifying capitalism, so that it's flaws are less detrimental to the citizens, is far easier to do. It's hard to keep corporations from lowly taking over and ruining everyone's live, but it's definitely easier to do that than stopping an oppressive government.

[Daelak]

The Soviet Union style of communism failed, but does that mean we should give up on the idea entirely?

I like the idea of communism because at its core it reflects the idea of community and collectivism that are central to the human experience. Capitalism tends to focus on greed, individualism and hierarchies, but I cannot see how long this system can last as the world is populated with more and more people. As the global population grows, there must be more sharing of resources. This runs contrary to the capitalistic vices greed, individualism, and hierarchies. It is impossible to have an increasing population while wealth and resources becoming concentrated on fewer and fewer. Doing so risks political division, race war, class war, civil war, and potentially world war.

Although, the original Marx design of communism doesn't work, it is based on a better foundation, and that foundation is altruism. So, I ask, can communism be modified to work?

Yeah, I believe in the later centuries when machine learning and adaptive AI becomes integral to not just work, but also governance, there will be a derivation of early Marxist theory operated by computers for monitoring and delivering resources and services. Scarcity and the price function would be as an academic exercise of talking about the salt wars today.

[kostas83]

Don't sanction those countries , don't isolate them . Do few more things and yes , it can work just perfectly . No communistic country failed by itself , but failed thanks to exterior influence.

[Kanegasi]

"Pure" communism works, but only in a vacuum. It does not need to be modified. The reason why it has never worked is because Earth has never seen pure communism ran by people actually wanting their country and their people to succeed. It is too susceptible to corruption. Human nature prevents communism from working.

[Authary]

"Pure" communism works, but only in a vacuum. It does not need to be modified. The reason why it has never worked is because Earth has never seen pure communism ran by people actually wanting their country and their people to succeed. It is too susceptible to corruption. Human nature prevents communism from working.

So it works but it does not work because it can't work ?

[Captain N]

All I know is Americans are obsessive paranoid about Communism

Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

[Sky High]

AH, I too am a fan of Red Alert 2, glad you get that reference Nanook!

[Kanegasi]

So it works but it does not work because it can't work ?

The design is fine. Communism works if it were ran by emotionless beings. Humans in charge cannot be trusted, which is why the most successful governments have split powers.