Why is everyone so obsessed with nazis?

[Deleted]

Off topic though but i am of belief that both the left and right are complete fucking morons.

[Mifuyne]

Yet, you do not see the difference yourself by saying you hate jews.

Just the ones that think the whole deal with Israel was their right.
Don't care wether they are jewish or not, doesn't matter to me.
Their actions do.

[Deleted]

I can't recall ever in my life seeing a Nazi supporter. I've been compared to a Nazi for simply wanting to close the gates to immigration but that's as far as it goes.

[JohnBrown1917]

Just the ones that think the whole deal with Israel was their right.
Don't care wether they are jewish or not, doesn't matter to me.
Their actions do.

Yet you complained about people who hate jews being called nazis.

[Bryntrollian]

You do realize that the people being talked about actually do Roman salutes and wear swastikas, right?

No he doesn't, that would be too big of a challenge for his worldview.

[Kuntantee]

@primalmatter, for starters.

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Agreed. That guy's views align with your average Nazi.

[Sturmbringe]

I can't recall ever in my life seeing a Nazi supporter.

I have and in South Africa of all places. They are real. Very real.

We are not talking here about American wannabes. We are talking about the real deal.

Ironically, RSA was best friends with Israel since the 1960's and some say even earlier. Go figure.

[Super Kami Dende]

I find most people that post about Nazis do so because they need to feel like there is some big secret evil around them ruining their lives and people around them. Instead of just realising 99.999% of their life's problems are a direct result of their own incompetency or laziness.

[Orby]

I dont see any Nazi's just a lot of concern-trolling for them :P

[Doctor Amadeus]

While 20 times is an exaggeration, communists did do horrifically bad shit. Personally, I care about communism more than nazism, because saying you're a communist or a socialist won't immediately destroy your life.

Well then they murder people after saying they would, and represent a threat beyond skinny, jeans bottles of piss, and bike locks, maybe ill take them more seriously.

If a politician in the US was like, "I'm a Nazi! Deal with it!" they would be less electable than the worst parts of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump combined, and anyone that thinks otherwise is frankly deluding themselves. If you say you're a socialist or communist though, no one outside of the far right really bats an eyelash at it, which is a goddamn shame because communism is antithetical to liberal values.

Hasn't hurt the Governor of Maine, sure as hell hasn't hurt the Congressman from Iowa who basically agreed with everything the Alt-Right Nazi White Supremacist stand for. The fact you need them to to have a tattoo shouting it from the rooftops like Steve Bannon is your construct.

The way I see it, it's actually fucking retarded to argue about which is worse. Nazism had the Holocaust, communism had Dekulakization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization

Yes both did horrific shit, they just did it differently.

Nazism had WW2, communism had the Great Chinese Famine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Right Nazism deliberately started wars that lead to exterminations, and Communism's engaged in wars while allowing dwindling resource to cause their own people to eat to have to eat one another.

It's just fucking mind blowing to me. It's like arguing about which is worse, Asmodeus or Orcus. One is a Demon Prince the other is an Archdevil. They're both fucking evil and would gladly shit on the world if ever given the opportunity. And you got these fucking Muppets over here saying that Orcus is actually a great guy, and if you say otherwise you must think Asmodeus is a Celestial. Any rational person should want nothing to do with either of these freaks.

And don't even get me fucking started on all the apologia that goes on every time the USSR and communist China are brought up. I can already hear the usual suspects telling me that all the bad stuff the USSR did was not true communism. It was Stalinism, and I should educate myself on the difference. Which to me, sounds exactly like an alt-righter saying, "We hate Hitler! Our Nazism is different!

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It won't be making the argument for communism, political system or ideology can work perfectly in some theoretical vacuum, Communism didn't work, and I am not going to bother trying to defend it anymore than I am going to pretend anybody of consequence really buys it will. Yes what if you could rework communism, I dunno, what if you could rework Nationalism, uh My guess is then you would still have the same thing, unless you changed core elements thus making them something else shitty to try off a failed ideology.

The kind of bullshit that Nazism and communism lead to, should immediately disqualify both ideologies from any kind of valid consideration. It should be Flat Earth or Young Earth Creationist levels of mockery every time someone seriously brings up this bullshit.

Well you go ahead and point me to where I have defended either, however Communism isn't an actual threat, Nazism is. Communist never ran one of my closest friends down a street and put him in the hospital because he happened to be the wrong color, 5 of them with bats and chains. Nor are any communist responsible for chunks of his skull missing.

While I'm writing this, I'm gonna step in front of this talking point. No, capitalism has not killed more people than communism.

It is if you want to play the domino effect and broadly apply every negative thing that has ever happen while Capitalism has dominated the economics of the world, and I would defend capitalism even though I do find it flawed as fuck, I do not believe bullshit about communism and nazism being the same.

You cannot blame the US for people in Africa starving any more than you can blame the USSR for people in Africa starving. Capitalist countries have also given more aid to impoverished countries than places like the USSR ever thought about.

You can but you have to quantify it, certainly the U.S didn't go in with the intent to murder and exterminate a said group as much as their intentions by proxy lead to wars and more resources being stripped out of Africa than have ever gone back into it, meaning penny's on thousands.

Reminder, Bill Gates alone has saved the lives of over 100 million people.

Again I am not going to suggest that he didn't nor am I going to blame him for capitalism

Not gonna happen under communism or Nazism.

Well no because they are political systems that really are different methods to the same thing. Stalin and Hitler weren't great enemies because they were appalled by each others methods, and if Nazi's had continued the same conflicts would have risen between Hitler and Mussolini as they would Emperor Hirohito.

That is exactly what happened between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin, they had their eye's on Stalin also, and when the time was right they attacked.

Furthermore, a death by people not giving you stuff for free is not morally equivalent to people actually taking the stuff that you have, or worse, shooting you in the head or throwing you in prison and refusing to feed you.

I disagree Laurcus YOU and your family need fresh clean water PERIOD FULL STOP! It doesn't matter the paper I have, or what right I claim if you don't have fresh clean water you will die!

You shouldn't be allowed to own all of it, and you shouldn't have to do tricks and dance for it, and if I go out of my way to create that then I also create the situation where YOU choose, to either fight and kill me for it, or you lay down and die.

If you conflate this situation with anything other than the exact same kind of moral evil and deliberately killing someone, then we have a great deal of differences on morals

Me allowing you to fucking DIE, is me killing you by not allowing you to do whatever it is to take care of yourself other than what I say.

If you disagree with this proposition, then you have to consider yourself morally equal or inferior to people like Ted Bundy and Charles Manson, because there's people dying in the world right now that you could be helping, but you're choosing to read this forum post on your iPhone made with child labor while sipping your latte made by minimum wage workers that contemplate offing themselves every Monday morning.

First off Ted Bundy was a sadist, he murdered women because he needed to for sexual gratification. Charles Manson was an idiotic story teller with a acid drug addled brain who got off stupid kids being impressed by his stories influenced by the same shit.

Both are responsible for their actions one if responsible for the actions of others, because he specifically had power over them and they followed his ever order, his whole idea for Helter Skelter wasn't a mystery to anybody when he was convicted.


As for the Iphone and Latte, I am not about conflate that with the above, because yes people know about the extent to which their wants are fulfilled, again that doesn't make them responsible Culpable maye in that some had a level of understanding.

The problem is however the world of those that build the Iphones and the world of the Teen Dropping tenders really isn't all that different outside of stuff. On a quantifiable level sure, but on a top down perspective it isn't

Most people in Capitalism are victims of a pyramid scheme more of their own making, marketed and influenced by those at least aware. By the write numbers and statistics I can tell you not only what you will or won't do, I can tell you about when you drop before you get to what you think you will. And the math gets better all the time.

I will start opposing Nazism with the same fervor as communism the moment an open Nazi starts to gain real steam in some kind of election campaign in the US.

Well then you go ahead and do that, I can't afford to do that, Skinny Jeans, Piss Bottles and Bike Locks and whining are a lot less of a threat than Bikers, Prison Gangs, and Alt-Right Neo Nazi, and Klan White Supremacist along with Trumpsters Targeting me and everyone else with dark skin not willing to shuck and jive.

[Deleted]

If you know that it's against the rules, maybe you shouldn't do it. This goes for everyone.

Oh, what are you going to do? Infract me? You already did that for no reason at all so and would probably do so again on a whim, so I have no incentive to be remotely civil to you or respect anything you say. That's the problem with behaving like a little tinpot dictator.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Everytime you call someone a nazi who isn't a nazi (so 99% of the time in the modern world) you're spitting in the faces of the actual victims of Nazis. Stop it.

99% I am spot on, and I don't need your permission, on how a view things. When you have those perfectly ok pointing fingers at thugs and gangbangers for murdering other blacks as an excuse for why cops shouldn't do it, I will continue to call it for what the fuck it is.

Same rules for everyone should lead to the same outcome and same expectations for justice.

[Sylvestra]

people are driven mad by media

[Underverse]

They're one of the few assumed moral devils that people go to in order to claim moral high ground.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Everytime you call someone a nazi who isn't a nazi (so 99% of the time in the modern world) you're spitting in the faces of the actual victims of Nazis. Stop it.

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So did you just make that up or? Are you aware of the threats N Korea makes against the rest of the world right?

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So he wears a Trump hat and you just assume he might be a little racist? Do you know how ignorant that is? You can't assume anything at all about that guy, there are plenty of left wing racists, just because someone is wearing a pussy hat doesn't mean they love all skin colours

Plenty of Jews also in Nazi Germany got exemptions and preferential treatment for going along with Nazi's


No different than the Hats

[Doctor Amadeus]

What does showing pictures of black people bearing swastikas prove? Literally nothing

Shows some people will shuck and jive despite themselves or overall knowledge, but as long as they can be useful idiots.

What are you even talking about? You're not spot on at all, you haven't got a clue.

Hey the truth isn't always popular, probably bothers Nazi's being called out a hell of a lot more than me or most calling them out, it's like pointing out any obvious perspective.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You can't make a stupid point, not actually provide an argument and call me an idiot. I know that not making sense is probably useful when arguing with people, but you might want to think about your responses a little bit longer so we can actually get somewhere. Why not say what your point actually is

The stupid point would be a black guy wearing a Trump hat as proof in the first place they aren’t racist.

[Exeris]

Sure the uniforms look nice, but all my mind is telling me when I look at that image is 'portly gentleman' on repeat.

And is this where Michael Jackson got the idea for wearing a single glove? Why are you wearing a single glove? WHERE IS YOUR OTHER GLOVE?

Maybe he's afraid of germs and it's his handshaking glove?

[Zython]

If they're white nationalists, then sure. Though I've been called a Nazi or a racist on this forum and many other interactions with liberals for espousing libertarian ideologies.

Have you ever considered there's a reason for this?

Even worse, it creates common ground between people who simply hold conservative beliefs, and the white nationalists, as you've lumped their fortunes together. Even worse than that, you begin to convert those who simply held conservative beliefs into the white nationalist camp. This is because they see their political enemies pandering to and profiting from naked tribalism and identity politics and cease to run out of reasons as to why they shouldn't do the same.

Have you ever considered that if you feel sympathy for white nationalist beliefs, it's because you're a white nationalist?

I've been called a Nazi for thinking Nazism is bad, but I've never considered actually becoming a Nazi. But then again, I actually have a consistent belief system and a moral compass.

Like, maybe engage in some introspection instead of firebombing synagogues because someone on the internet hurt your fee-fees.

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Everytime you call someone a nazi who isn't a nazi (so 99% of the time in the modern world) you're spitting in the faces of the actual victims of Nazis. Stop it.

Question. What proof would you accept that the people in question are Nazis?

[Caliph]

What nazi threads do you speak of?

what nazi infatuation i don't see any

then again i've not purused the forums for a while now so

excuse my ignorance.