Is Archimonde dead?

[YUPPIE]

I mean what is going on with this guy, the situation around his fate and WoD's wiggy waggy time travel stuff seems so ambiguous.

[Aquamonkey]

Yes. He's dead. It was "our" Archimonde and we killed him in the Twisting Nether.

Is Archimonde really dead?
I can tell you our idea behind that. We might change it. This might not be canon. This might be something that we decide we're gonna tinker with. I'll try and explain what the thinking was. The idea was that the demons in the Burning Legion, they're kind of immortal in that they can exist across all the planes, unless they're killed in the actual Twisting Nether itself. So killing Archimonde at the World Tree in Warcraft 3... well, he was killed on Azeroth, but he would re-coalesce in the Twisting Nether and come back to haunt us again. And the idea was if you played in Mythic and defeated Archimonde, you actually defeated him in the Nether and that he'd be dead dead for good. That was the idea that we played with. We tried to explain that and I don't know if... that certainly doesn't come across in-game because it's not necessarily explained in-game. Maybe we'll change that. Maybe we'll change the canon of that. But that was the idea that we were working with... was unless you rip these demons out and take them to the Twisting Nether and kill them there, they'll always keep coming back. But maybe that's not canon. Maybe we'll tinker with that idea. (Source)

[Radaney]

Well it makes no sense that he is but apparently he is.

It makes no sense because we actually went back in time in WoD, we didn't just go another realm.

We went back in time to before the Dark Portal opened. So if we killed Archimonde back in time in WoD then he never could have been in Warcraft 3. Which is obviously a pretty major paradox for everything in World of Warcraft.

It also means that Mannoroth had to be in two places at the same time and if WoD happened minutes before our timeline happened then he couldn't of been at the drinking event in our Draenor because Grommash killed him. It must also be pretty tiring reliving the same event an unlimited amount of times as a single entity.

Let's just not talk about WoD, Blizzard are fucking retarded.

[hulkgor]

Pretty clear buddy, he's dead. Gone. Finito.

Killed in the Twisting Nether, dude's gone.

[cparle87]

Well it makes no sense that he is but apparently he is.

It makes no sense because we actually went back in time in WoD, we didn't just go another realm.

We went back in time to before the Dark Portal opened. So if we killed Archimonde back in time in WoD then he never could have been in Warcraft 3. Which is obviously a pretty major paradox for everything in World of Warcraft.

It also means that Mannoroth had to be in two places at the same time and if WoD happened minutes before our timeline happened then he couldn't of been at the drinking event in our Draenor because Grommash killed him.

Let's just not talk about WoD, Blizzard are retarded.

If multiverse stories are too complicated for you you'd better never read any Marvel or DC comics, ever. Your head would asplode.

[Radaney]

If multiverse stories are too complicated for you you'd better never read any Marvel or DC comics, ever. Your head would asplode.

Well things that make no sense are inherently too complicated for everyone to understand. That's the definition of it making no sense.

[Arrashi]

Yes. He's dead. It was "our" Archimonde and we killed him in the Twisting Nether.

Is Archimonde really dead?
I can tell you our idea behind that. We might change it. This might not be canon. This might be something that we decide we're gonna tinker with. I'll try and explain what the thinking was. The idea was that the demons in the Burning Legion, they're kind of immortal in that they can exist across all the planes, unless they're killed in the actual Twisting Nether itself. So killing Archimonde at the World Tree in Warcraft 3... well, he was killed on Azeroth, but he would re-coalesce in the Twisting Nether and come back to haunt us again. And the idea was if you played in Mythic and defeated Archimonde, you actually defeated him in the Nether and that he'd be dead dead for good. That was the idea that we played with. We tried to explain that and I don't know if... that certainly doesn't come across in-game because it's not necessarily explained in-game. Maybe we'll change that. Maybe we'll change the canon of that. But that was the idea that we were working with... was unless you rip these demons out and take them to the Twisting Nether and kill them there, they'll always keep coming back. But maybe that's not canon. Maybe we'll tinker with that idea. (Source)

Aka schrodinger archimonde.

[Varitok]

Yes. He's dead. It was "our" Archimonde and we killed him in the Twisting Nether.

Is Archimonde really dead?
I can tell you our idea behind that. We might change it. This might not be canon. This might be something that we decide we're gonna tinker with. I'll try and explain what the thinking was. The idea was that the demons in the Burning Legion, they're kind of immortal in that they can exist across all the planes, unless they're killed in the actual Twisting Nether itself. So killing Archimonde at the World Tree in Warcraft 3... well, he was killed on Azeroth, but he would re-coalesce in the Twisting Nether and come back to haunt us again. And the idea was if you played in Mythic and defeated Archimonde, you actually defeated him in the Nether and that he'd be dead dead for good. That was the idea that we played with. We tried to explain that and I don't know if... that certainly doesn't come across in-game because it's not necessarily explained in-game. Maybe we'll change that. Maybe we'll change the canon of that. But that was the idea that we were working with... was unless you rip these demons out and take them to the Twisting Nether and kill them there, they'll always keep coming back. But maybe that's not canon. Maybe we'll tinker with that idea. (Source)

If your answer to whether or not someone is dead turns out to be one paragraph, You have to rethink your story.

[Nathreim]

No. He was dead but they changed how demons worked again so that they could reform even if they were killed in the nether thanks to Argus. So as long as he started to reform before we defeated Argus he should be alive same with Kil'jaeden.

[zlygork]

Even if he wasn't, there would be no point to his existance at this point other than forming a punier "burning legion" or becoming a void corrupted loot pinata

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Well it makes no sense that he is but apparently he is.

It makes no sense because we actually went back in time in WoD, we didn't just go another realm.

We went back in time to before the Dark Portal opened. So if we killed Archimonde back in time in WoD then he never could have been in Warcraft 3. Which is obviously a pretty major paradox for everything in World of Warcraft.

It also means that Mannoroth had to be in two places at the same time and if WoD happened minutes before our timeline happened then he couldn't of been at the drinking event in our Draenor because Grommash killed him. It must also be pretty tiring reliving the same event an unlimited amount of times as a single entity.

Let's just not talk about WoD, Blizzard are fucking retarded.

No. We went to a different reality AND back in time. This was how Kairoz intended to create "An infinite army, across an infinite number of worlds".
The issue is that demons somehow transcend all realities. The Archimonde we fight on Draenor is the same one we helped to kill in the Battle for Mount Hyjal. The intended story is that this time he died in the Twisting Nether, and therefore remains dead permanently (They just failed to communicate that in the cinematic).

[Radaney]

No. We went to a different reality AND back in time. This was how Kairoz intended to create "An infinite army, across an infinite number of worlds".
The issue is that demons somehow transcend all realities. The Archimonde we fight on Draenor is the same one we helped to kill in the Battle for Mount Hyjal. The intended story is that this time he died in the Twisting Nether, and therefore remains dead permanently (They just failed to communicate that in the cinematic).

You just said why I'm right yet you started your post with "No."

Draenor happened before The Battle of Mt. Hyjal so how can Archimonde be at the Mt. Hyjal if he died before it happened? Well he can't. WC3 can never of happened because we killed Archimonde before it happened because we went back in time and killed him before WC3.

[EyelessCrow]

No. We went to a different reality AND back in time. This was how Kairoz intended to create "An infinite army, across an infinite number of worlds".
The issue is that demons somehow transcend all realities. The Archimonde we fight on Draenor is the same one we helped to kill in the Battle for Mount Hyjal. The intended story is that this time he died in the Twisting Nether, and therefore remains dead permanently (They just failed to communicate that in the cinematic).

"Failed to communicate" That can pretty much sum up the entirety of WoD not just that cinematic.

[Deleted]

Yes despite the nonsensical bullshit that is the world of Warcraft multiverse, he is dead.

[Varitok]

Yes despite the nonsensical bullshit that is the world of Warcraft multiverse, he is dead.

I wish WoW wouldn't have brought in the multiverse stuff.

[Deleted]

If multiverse stories are too complicated for you you'd better never read any Marvel or DC comics, ever. Your head would asplode.

All the issues are due to the singular Burning Legion not multiverse in general.

[Aquamonkey]

The issue is that demons somehow transcend all realities. The Archimonde we fight on Draenor is the same one we helped to kill in the Battle for Mount Hyjal.

In WC3. The TBC raid doesn't count.

Re: What is the point of Battle for Mount Hyjal
It's a "time pocket" if you will. There's no intended link to the Infinite Dragonflight or their dastardly deeds of altered timeways, and you're not literally interacting with history. It's simply a way for players to experience some of the larger moments in Warcraft history, and admittedly the Mount Hyjal instance isn't really linked to the world for any rhyme or reason. The timeway presented itself, it's an amazing opportunity to be there and experience such a major event, and Archimonde drops phat purples. (Source)

[Deleted]

I wish WoW wouldn't have brought in the multiverse stuff.

100% agree. It might have worked if there was a Burning Legion for each universe but no they cocked that up.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

You just said why I'm right yet you started your post with "No."

Draenor happened before The Battle of Mt. Hyjal so how can Archimonde be at the Mt. Hyjal if he died before it happened? Well he can't. WC3 can never of happened because we killed Archimonde before it happened because we went back in time and killed him before WC3.

We did both. We're in another reality.
We fight Archimonde in Hyjal>Archimonde reforms in the nether>We time/dimension hop to Draenor>Archimonde does the same, his body having reformed and his mind remembering our previous encounter, because it happened "before". Killing him on Draenor doesn't matter because what happend in our universe is unaffected by the events on Draenor.

[Aquamonkey]

You just said why I'm right yet you started your post with "No."

Draenor happened before The Battle of Mt. Hyjal so how can Archimonde be at the Mt. Hyjal if he died before it happened? Well he can't. WC3 can never of happened because we killed Archimonde before it happened because we went back in time and killed him before WC3.

Because we defeated Archimonde in WC3, he recovered, then traveled back in time to reach WoD.

"Failed to communicate" That can pretty much sum up the entirety of WoD not just that cinematic.

Yes despite the nonsensical bullshit that is the world of Warcraft multiverse, he is dead.

All the issues are due to the singular Burning Legion not multiverse in general.

The problem of communication is within Blizzard. They initially envisioned WoD-verse to be completely separate, with its own Twisting Nether and its own Burning Legion.

Question, with the Draenor we travel to in WoD. Is this Draenor connected to our Twisting nether, or an alternate one?
Likely an entire separate universe, but we're not addressing it in the expansion. Focus is Draenor! (DaveKosak)

But they threw that out the window because they wanted to use "our" Archimonde to make it extra dramatic.