Jared Kushner Was Right To ‘Collude’ With Russia — Because He Did It For Israel

[Theodarzna]

Isn't OP a scientist?

Not that I am aware of.

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How can you be so obtuse to what is going on? Are you confused by the money laundering? The tax evasiveness? The emoluments clause violations? The multiple guilty pleas and indictments? The daily story changes based on constant new accusations?

Pray tell - what confuses you as to what we're all after regarding Trump? What part are you missing?

So far the complete lack of evidence for any specific charge. At this point I have to assume you lot are just flailing about hoping to find anything. If you had proof he was some Manchurian candidate you would have revealed it by now.

[Felya]

So far the complete lack of evidence for any specific charge. At this point I have to assume you lot are just flailing about hoping to find anything. If you had proof he was some Manchurian candidate you would have revealed it by now.

Yet, I bet you have nothing in response to 2 team members pleading guilty already, 2 indictments, including one that had bale revoked due to communications with Russia... after bale set at 15 million.

[Theodarzna]

Thank you for bringing up those points about past transition members engaging in foreign relations. As Rich Lowry put it, if the election atmosphere weren't so poisonous, nobody would bat an eye at Flynn *relating to his December contacts.*

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Well, I am of the opinion that the sole reason it matters is that some people cannot accept that they lost an election to an internet troll.

[Felya]

Well, I am of the opinion that the sole reason it matters is that some people cannot accept that they lost an election to an internet troll.

Yes, two people pleaded guilty, because Hillary lost the election.

[cubby]

So far the complete lack of evidence for any specific charge. At this point I have to assume you lot are just flailing about hoping to find anything. If you had proof he was some Manchurian candidate you would have revealed it by now.

Ah, so you're in the camp of both not understanding how investigations work and not understanding what the word "evidence" means. You also seem to be just fine with Cheeto and his followers changing their story on a daily basis.

But hey, if you're not happy with reality, I guess your only choice is to float away to a world where you think Mueller will send you daily investigation update emails (check your spam folder!) and Trump's own words not counting against him (he's admitted to Obstruction of Justice, just in case you forgot - and then changed his story).

Are you also completely clueless as to what a guilty plea agreement means? Do you understand that guilty plea means GUILTY?

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According to Professor W. David Clinton, chairman of the Political Science Department at Baylor University:

"It is common for representatives of other governments to get in touch with the incoming presidential administration to begin informal relationships and address relevant issues,” Clinton said. “It is not unusual. Transitions are fairly long. The incoming administration needs to inform itself of foreign policy. Getting to know people and foreign governments is widely done and beneficial to the U.S."

If what he did is ok, why did he commit a felony and lie about it? Twice.

[Theodarzna]

Ah, so you're in the camp of both not understanding how investigations work and not understanding what the word "evidence" means.

I've been promised these big revelations for awhile now. Proof positive of some B-grade spy novels that were written by the Dean Koontz to Tom Clancy's Stephen King. And yet so far nothing, in fact the latest supposedly devastating revaluation turned out to be further reaching.

At this point its starting to just look sad and pathetic that you can't move on from a failed election campaign.

[Blur4stuff]

Past investigations of this size have taken years to complete. I don't think anyone promised this would be wrapped up by new years.

[Edge-]

I've been promised these big revelations for awhile now.

By who?

Because pretty much everyone in this forum that I've seen has been on board with the notion that this investigation would potentially take years before wrapping up, it's actually moving a lot faster than many of us thought it would.

Also, it's easy to say there have been no big revelations if you dismiss everything. The June 2016 Trump Tower meeting was a pretty huge revelation, for example, especially with the myriad rotating lies the Trump camp gave to explain it after it was uncovered.

[cubby]

I've been promised these big revelations for awhile now. Proof positive of some B-grade spy novels that were written by the Dean Koontz to Tom Clancy's Stephen King. And yet so far nothing, in fact the latest supposedly devastating revaluation turned out to be further reaching.

At this point its starting to just look sad and pathetic that you can't move on from a failed election campaign.

Look, you don't understand investigations, evidence, plea-deals, or indictments. We get it. You don't have to keep proving it. You've done it.

Or are you ready to maybe be open to the idea that indictments might, just might, mean evidence. Plea deals, too. Your nothing burgers are certainly delicious. Do you realize that Mueller has been at this for about six months and already has the former NSA giving him everything? Do you have any idea what that means?

Oh, that's right, you don't.

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Past investigations of this size have taken years to complete. I don't think anyone promised this would be wrapped up by new years.

Exactly. No one promised anything quick. And if she doesn't understand what a big revelation is, there is nothing we can do to help her.

[Theodarzna]

Look, you don't understand investigations, evidence, plea-deals, or indictments. We get it. You don't have to keep proving it. You've done it.

Well if only certain types would get around to proving certain things. Instead we just have garish accusations and then a disappointing reveal.

[Casterbridge]

Well if only certain types would get around to proving certain things. Instead we just have garish accusations and then a disappointing reveal.

Out of curiosity, what is it that would actually make you think something isn't right here? What is your line in the sand as far as all this goes?

[cubby]

Well if only certain types would get around to proving certain things. Instead we just have garish accusations and then a disappointing reveal.

Why do you expect the reveal to happen according to your timeline? Who told you that you would get it when you wanted? Mueller is taking down a sitting President. That takes time and patience.

Have you looked into the Nixon investigation yet?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

exactly what i was thinking

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You forget to mention Hilary.

Donald didn't:

“I feel badly for Gen. Flynn. I feel very badly,” the president told reporters outside the White House on Monday morning. “He’s led a very strong life, and I feel very badly. I will say this, Hillary Clinton lied many times to the FBI and nothing happened to her. Flynn lied, and they destroyed his life. I think it’s a shame.”

http://people.com/politics/president...s-ruined-life/

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Well if only certain types would get around to proving certain things. Instead we just have garish accusations and then a disappointing reveal.

I'm sure you'd be happy if they flushed the investigation down the toilet by rushing it...but Mueller isn't the type of guy to rush.

[Orbitus]

So far there isn't any evidence of it. But it is interesting that when it does turn up, its okay because of REASONS!

Except for Flynn, Manafort, Gates, and Papadopoulos. And don't say that bullshit that Gates and Manafort don't have anything to do with Russia, Gates worked for Manafort, and Manafort was just caught violating his bail by ghost writing and Op-Ed with a member from Russian Intelligence.

[Milchshake]

Past investigations of this size have taken years to complete. I don't think anyone promised this would be wrapped up by new years.

Well Trump's lawyer said it would be over by Thanksgiving. Taking his lawyer's stance as ipso facto seems weird for a person that is "not a Trump supporter".


Makes total sense for a nihilist or concern troll though.

Concern Troll: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll

A concern troll visits sites of an opposing ideology and offers advice on how they could "improve" things, either in their tactical use of rhetoric, site rules, or with more philosophical consistency. The "improvements" are almost exclusively intended to be less effective.
A typical formulation might involve the troll's invocation of a site's espoused ideals alongside a perceived example of hypocrisy (such as contrasting "we value free speech" with the banning of a "dissenter"), and with a call for some relevant reform by the troll. This reform will frequently be burdensome or silly - the concern troll's message is: "I have some concerns about your methods. If you did these things to make your message less effective, it would be more effective."

[primalmatter]

You ever wish that sometimes life would prove you wrong?

That once and a while the worst elements that make up our beliefs are not constantly validated?

Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, "/pol/ was right again

[Theodarzna]

You ever wish that sometimes life would prove you wrong?

That once and a while the worst elements that make up our beliefs are not constantly validated?

Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, "/pol/ was right again

I actually want the Russia thing to be true, if for no other reason other than I feel like Skroe needs a win. Like the Gods need to throw him a bone.

[primalmatter]

I actually want the Russia thing to be true, if for no other reason other than I feel like Skroe needs a win. Like the Gods need to throw him a bone.

I know the feeling... hell while im giving out quotes I feel the new avengers one fits well for Skroe.

"In time you will know what its like to lose... to feel so desperately that you where right but to fail all the same....

Dread it, run from it, destiny still arrives... "

[Orbitus]

I actually want the Russia thing to be true, if for no other reason other than I feel like Skroe needs a win. Like the Gods need to throw him a bone.

So far, the 'Russia thing' is true. There hasn't been anything to show that there hasn't been any collusion and a whole lot of evidence that shows that they have colluded.

[Mormolyce]

Seriously, what's with people trotting out these flaky excuses that will last maybe a week? Surely they have to know the investigation will move on from here.