Antorus Progression Thread

[GreenJesus]

No, poor tuning is the offender and nothing else. Was alright to blame TF for first and possibly second tier, now it's not even close to an excuse.

True. No excuse. But it is impossible to tune since they implemented these features. Such a wide range of possible numbers to tune for just based off of complete RNG. They legit screwed up this tier. A random pug with several low DPS players in our group was able to down the last boss on heroic the first week in 15 pulls.

[SilenceRedo]

No, poor tuning is the offender and nothing else. Was alright to blame TF for first and possibly second tier, now it's not even close to an excuse.

Tune it to what? To only be doable with most titanforged gear? That's also a clusterfuck.

[Nitros14]

I really like that gif

https://twitter.com/Methodsco/status/938320213237469184


Remember that these guys probably did like 30-40 pulls on the PTR as well. Not their first time with the boss. PTR testing shouldn't be a thing. FF14 I am pretty sure doesn't do this. Why does Blizzard have to do it?

They tried not testing Blackwing Lair on the PTR and it was a shitshow.

[Floopa]

True. No excuse. But it is impossible to tune since they implemented these features. Such a wide range of possible numbers to tune for just based off of complete RNG. They legit screwed up this tier. A random pug with several low DPS players in our group was able to down the last boss on heroic the first week in 15 pulls.

they didn't screw up anything.

they literally said antorus would be easier than tos. the only hard bosses in tos were avatar/kj.

expect argus to be easier than avatar, that's all im saying.

[GreenJesus]

They tried not testing Blackwing Lair on the PTR and it was a shitshow.

That is just their incompetence. FF14's raids are very well tuned so there isn't really a good excuse for why Blizzard can't tune in-house either.

[Evilmoo]

Method wiping on eonar? O_o

[GreenJesus]

they didn't screw up anything.

they literally said antorus would be easier than tos. the only hard bosses in tos were avatar/kj.

expect argus to be easier than avatar, that's all im saying.

Come on.. but 1 shotting the first 4 bosses on mythic is ridiculous. 1 SHOT MYTHIC BOSSES. That should never be possible.

[Keysta99]

anyone able to compare the time it took Limit to clear the first 5 vs the EU guilds who are 5/11

[Nitros14]

Come on.. but 1 shotting the first 4 bosses on mythic is ridiculous. 1 SHOT MYTHIC BOSSES. That should never be possible.

That happens like, every tier for the top guilds.

[Makorus]

Come on.. but 1 shotting the first 4 bosses on mythic is ridiculous. 1 SHOT MYTHIC BOSSES. That should never be possible.

It's not like they didnt practice the fights on PTR.

[Zeraiya]

Method wiping on eonar? O_o

Yup, could be because of their comp that they're lacking AoE or something like that.

Anyway, Method now joins at 5/11.

[InstantPoM]

real talk, we spent 15min /w @MethodRoger trying to distribute the loot

https://twitter.com/Methodsco/status/938321817294557184

LOOT DRAMA IN METHOD CONFIRMED. Talks of a majority of their raiders considering to split and form a new guild, reportedly already having been offered free flasks by an unnamed rival esports organization.

[Tyron]

They better find a new team to internal test new raids for next expansion xD

[krl]

Titanforging is causing a lot of variance and making fine tuning impossible.

Those top guilds do split raids and tend to the top ilvl with several TF pieces. It's not the case in most guild rosters I guess. Ours has a LOT of variance, and that's not because of inequal loot distribution.

However, they have a lot of PTR tries, we have none. They are not really one-shotting MM bosses. PTR is the biggest offender imho.

[GreenJesus]

It's not like they didnt practice the fights on PTR.

Thats my point. PTR for raid bosses shouldn't be a thing. If Blizzard wasn't completely incompetent they would able to balance without players doing the work for them. FF14 devs do it just fine.

[Warriorsarri]

Method is the third EU guild to get passed the Tower Defense of Legion Invaders, to help Eonar!

[Deleted]

Come on.. but 1 shotting the first 4 bosses on mythic is ridiculous. 1 SHOT MYTHIC BOSSES. That should never be possible.

They have 20-30 pulls on each of those bosses already from the PTR. They are the best players in the world, they are geared as fuck.
If they were not one shooting those first bosses then what would happen for the other normal guilds?

[Zeraiya]

anyone able to compare the time it took Limit to clear the first 5 vs the EU guilds who are 5/11

It took Limit a total of 101 minutes to get to 5/11 (keep in mind that there is no time documented for Garothi). It has taken Nova 115 minutes (without Garothi). Method is sitting at 113 minutes (no Garothi), and got dragged down hard by Eonar. If they had cleared Eonar first time, they would have had the quickest time.

The real test is now. Imonar took Limit 109 minutes, and Kin'gorath took 346 minutes. If the EU guilds can do this quicker, they could take a big league. It all depends.

[Deleted]

anyone able to compare the time it took Limit to clear the first 5 vs the EU guilds who are 5/11

Limit
Garothi Worldbreaker Mythic Killed Dec 5, 2017 14:13:00 GMT
Felhounds of Sargeras Mythic Killed Dec 5, 2017 14:23:00 GMT
Antoran High Command Mythic Killed Dec 5, 2017 14:38:00 GMT
Portal Keeper Hasabel Mythic Killed Dec 5, 2017 15:09:00 GMT
Eonar the Life-Binder Mythic Killed Dec 5, 2017 15:54:00 GMT

Exorsus:
Garothi Worldbreaker Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 06:24:00 GMT
Felhounds of Sargeras Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 06:37:00 GMT
Antoran High Command Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 06:53:00 GMT
Portal Keeper Hasabel Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 07:17:00 GMT
Eonar the Life-Binder Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 08:19:00 GMT

Method:
Garothi Worldbreaker Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 06:37:00 GMT
Felhounds of Sargeras Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 06:51:00 GMT
Antoran High Command Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 07:12:00 GMT
Portal Keeper Hasabel Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 07:35:00 GMT
Eonar the Life-Binder Mythic Killed Dec 6, 2017 08:30:00 GMT

and Limit with the lowest ilvl of the three

[Fitsu]

They have 20-30 pulls on each of those bosses already from the PTR. They are the best players in the world, they are geared as fuck.
If they were not one shooting those first bosses then what would happen for the other normal guilds?

Pretty much this. I think people underestimate just how good these people are. They are the BEST in the world. You've seen world tournaments of other games right? CS-GO where people have stupid levels of accuracy/reactions, league of legends where teams are making plays/reactions you need freeze frames to see, starcraft where I can't even keep up while watching the bloody thing!

WoW is no exception, you can't make mechanics these people can't do unless it's impossible (see KJ). If every boss was avatar-level hard for them then nobody else could raid. Bosses pretty much need to have mechanics you have to cheese and dps/healing reqs so tight that there within 0.1% of wiping for these guys to have any sort of challenge. Anything outside of that, they'll do within 30 pulls because that's what the best do. To make a fight difficult for them is ni-impossible.