Why isn't "Being Comunist" considered a Crime yet?

[LedZeppelin]

So their idea has a space on the forum. That's the cue for free market and mixed economy supporters to tell communists why their idea is shit.

And thats what happens and I get that. Im just saying that one extreme is banned and the other isnt.

[Kiri]

Just because Stalin was a communist, doesn't make all communists Stalin.

By that token, being an Atheist should be illegal, because Stalin was an atheist, and killed more people than all religions combined in the last century.

Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian?

[Blamblam41]

So:

Nazism:

• Takes over the means of production.
• State owns everything.
• Kills everyone that disagrees.
• Mass murdered an entire culture.
• Crazy inventor and leader.
• Followed by mindless idiots.

Comunism:

• Takes over the means of production.
• State owns everything.
• Kills everyone that disagrees.
• Mass murdered an entire culture.
• Crazy inventor and leader.
• Followed by mindless idiots.

They are literally the same, the only exception is that fairy tales says "comunist is good that fights against evil because yes"
Why isn't supporting comunism a crime yet? Just because the soviet holocaust wasnt broadcast live doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The same reason why being a capitalist isn't a crime. Political ideologies aren't the same as economic ideologies and Nazism is most definitely neither, as it's a social ideology.

[LedZeppelin]

Communism is an economical ideology which at it's core is based around abolishing the class system and create common ownership of the means of production.

Nazi ideolgy is based around racism and genocide.


I don't understand how anyone could compare the two.

Probably because both killed a lot of people. Also communism is an economical ideology as well as political. Nazism is just racial supremacy + fascism.

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The same reason why being a capitalist isn't a crime. Political ideologies aren't the same as economic ideologies and Nazism is most definitely neither, as it's a social ideology.

Nazism is political and economical with a slight social tinge. I dont know how you believe otherwise.

[Blamblam41]

Stalin didn't kill anyone because of Atheism, he killed people because of communism. Do you know how I know that? Because Atheism doesn't have a central belief structure. It's literally the lack of belief in a God, and nothing else.

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I feel like you are missing someone....

Someone who is known to be an Ace at a specific sport.

Actually it's the belief that all God's are created by men. It's not that they lack belief in God, it's that they lack belief in stories told by man of God.

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Probably because both killed a lot of people. Also communism is an economical ideology as well as political. Nazism is just racial supremacy + fascism.

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Nazism is political and economical with a slight social tinge. I dont know how you believe otherwise.

Nazism is fundamentally fueled by social change, not political or economical. The conditions to create and spread Nazism are all social conditions. Who are you again?

edit: How the fuck is racial supremacy and fascism not social as you literally just said a quote before quoting me? roflmao try harder m8.

[rayvio]

being something should never be a crime
doing something is what matters

[JohnBrown1917]

Nazism came from Hitler and his party.
Communism did not come from the USSR.

[Mihalik]

sip

It would help your argument if you actually knew something (anything at all) about what you are talking about.

1, Nazis do not take over means of production. Private ownership and enterprise are important elements of it. Instead they create ties between capital and the state where both are meant to serve national interests, and in turn capital gets special protections and preference. https://www.jta.org/1940/02/05/archi...-paper-reveals

2, According to original Communist theory the means of production aren't owned by the state, but rather by the workers. This is a somewhat diffuse theory in application, and in effect it meant state (public) ownership of means of production and limitations on the amount of private ownership permitted. As money in Communist state was a largely meaningless thing beyond a certain point, influence (political and social capital, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkach ) determined to large extent what you were allowed to own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacha#Soviet_Union As we already established Nazis weren't that big on nationalization (as long as you either shut up and played along or enthusiastically played along).

The guarantee of private property under any authoritarian government is non existent, as authoritarians whether left or right don't really give two shits about things like...rule of law.

3, Communism as an ideology, political theory and economic model doesn't have any genocidal tendencies (especially not any related to culture, race or ethnicity). What happens is that people import their pre-existing prejudices into the ideology, combine that with unlimited effective power with no checks and balances and you are on a highway to a cluster fuck of a disaster. But once again, the issue here is authoritarianism and not the political model.

On the other hand hate, discrimination, violence and murder are components of the ideology and theory and by extent application of Naziism, this is mostly because Naziism is just fucked up at its core, with absolutely no redeeming value.

4, Marx or Engels weren't either violent or crazy. Their political and economic theories and analysis have always had value and have been studied as such in economics and political science from early on. Like Marx's theories on Surplus value and Labor theory of value (something Adam Smith and David Ricardo also theorized on extensively). Their work is objectively valuable to the sciences and economics just as the works of Adam Smith, Malthus, Friedman or Krugman.

Hitler and Naziism, have no redeeming value, beyond being able to be held up as the paragon of -Fucked up.

[LedZeppelin]

Actually it's the belief that all God's are created by men. It's not that they lack belief in God, it's that they lack belief in stories told by man of God.

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Nazism is fundamentally fueled by social change, not political or economical. The conditions to create and spread Nazism are all social conditions. Who are you again?

edit: How the fuck is racial supremacy and fascism not social as you literally just said a quote before quoting me? roflmao try harder m8.

Do you know what facism is? Ill give you wikipedia definition. Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce.

Wheres the social?

[Kalis]

Actually it's the belief that all God's are created by men. It's not that they lack belief in God, it's that they lack belief in stories told by man of God.

Atheism means ‘without gods’, the a- prefix here means ‘not’ or ‘without’. Atheism is the lack of belief in any gods.

[Risale]

It would help your argument if you actually knew something (anything at all) about what you are talking about.

This says it all.

[Miyagie]

Really no nazi? Ever read the raping of Nanking?
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/12/wo...ved-lives.html guy lost his job because he saved people.
Being a nazi did not mean everyone was this evil force. Some people had no choice as membership was attached to pretty much any job you wanted. Also their were nazi in the sense of a unified Germany but once they saw genocide and persecution immediately changed their minds and went off to save Jewish people. Unfortunately since ww2 and the holocaust is a touchy subject with huge complexity things like this get buried.

It was a dictatorship, ofc 95% of the germans werent nazis, they just had to follow and the young ones were brainwashed.

[TSThrillwell]

If you had any idea just why it's such a flawed ideology, you'd have a solid understanding on why it's fucked up to even consider making it a "crime" to be one. The criminalization of thoughts isn't cool, kids.

[Theinquisition]

Stalin didn't kill anyone because of Atheism, he killed people because of communism. Do you know how I know that? Because Atheism doesn't have a central belief structure. It's literally the lack of belief in a God, and nothing else.

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I feel like you are missing someone....

Someone who is known to be an Ace at a specific sport.

Tennis a commie? You don't say!!!

[Sormine]

Comunism:

• Crazy inventor and leader.

Nope, most of what you said is misleading. But. Just. Nope.

[LedZeppelin]

Nope, most of what you said is misleading. But. Just. Nope.

Yeah you're right. He was actually a bum and a leech.

[Dsc]

It IS a crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...ol_Act_of_1954

The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.


I expect Trump to start in on our resident subversives once he is done gutting the deep state. Hopefully 2-4 years from now.

[Kalis]

3, Communism as an ideology, political theory and economic model doesn't have any genocidal tendencies...

4, Marx or Engels weren't either violent...

This is the third time people on this forum have made similar claims recently, it’s not true.

Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto, last paragraph...

“The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.”

That is a call to violence.

[Scottyjscizzle]

Actually it's the belief that all God's are created by men. It's not that they lack belief in God, it's that they lack belief in stories told by man of God.

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Atheism by definition is a lack of belief in gods.

[HumbleDuck]

If we get passed your idiotic generalisation of two hugely influential ideologies of the previous century followed by a remarkably stupid false equivalency; the use of Ignorantio-Elenchi renders your whole argument worthless.