[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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, he doesn't just suddenly fly like an ace.

and during is glory moment then he use the force to "see the target" it is what he have trained before with Obi-Wan on Falcon, and Obi-Wan ghost voice is needed to "instruct" him, and Han point out that it might be pure luck....

[Paperfox]

I keep hoping that James Cameron will get involved and make a Star Wars / Avatar mashup. Then we can finally have a blue Rey!

[sarahtasher]

The problem is Luke wasn't a living god in the X-wing (battle of Yavin). He almost crashed himself into the Death Star shooting at a gun implacement at the very start of the battle, almost got shot down by a generic tie fighter and then only survived against Vader due to the timely intervention of Han Solo. All this with him flying a civilian craft that gave him untold hours of experiance to help him fly a military craft with the same controls as what he was use to flying already. To compare that to Rey is ridiculous. Her experiance in taking apart ships in no one translates to her having the ability and practiced skill to fly anything. That's like saying the maintenance crew for an F35 has the training to fly the plane itself. Luke's skill are explicitly brought up multiple times through the movie and then he's still bad at it, he doesn't just suddenly fly like an ace.

Luke is much better than the six TIE pilots picked up for their skills by Darth Vader himself, who flew considerable during the Clone Wars. (The old lore was pretty consistent that against a Force user with a knack for flying-a rather common trait-, even the most skilled pilots would be hard pressed. It take a Wedge Antilles or a Soontir Fel to survive against Darth Vader)

[Jastall]

Rey is already more powerful than anakin skywalker.

The Force works however the fuck the writers want it to work. Let's not act as if it's ever been consistent. What she does isn't much more unbelievable than a farmboy destroying a moon sized space station on his first combat mission. It's Star Wars, shit like that happens all the time.

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Hey dude, the original movie have the Rebel Alliance taking for pilot for the do or die strike a farmboy that they don't know...

That one of ther own pilots know and vouch for... and the farmbody need to be rescued by other pilots several times during the battel.....

[sarahtasher]

and during is glory moment then he use the force to "see the target" it is what he have trained before with Obi-Wan on Falcon, and Obi-Wan ghost voice is needed to "instruct" him, and Han point out that it might be pure luck....

What training, him hitting a remote ? The training that was shown in the PT to be a kindergarden activity for toddlers, presumably after sessions of ''play with plasticine, but with the Force''

[eschatological]

The selective amnesia twist didnt work in Jason Bourne and its not gonna work in Star wars. Even with a potential sith lord brain washing you to forget your skills and past it doesnt make sense.

Do you know anything about selective amnesia? Certain motor skills, if trained enough, can become subconscious, and not tied to rote memorization lost during amnesia.

Then, on top of it, in this series, you have an amorphous divine Force that is pushing its own goals, manifested through different people. It's almost like Ian Malcolm's "Nature will find a way" line from Jurassic Park - those that the Force wants to act through won't be able to be fully suppressed forever. Maybe you can fully suppress them for a time, or partially suppress them for a longer time, but not for good.

As for the criticisms that it doesn't feel "particularly satisfactory" to have her have an unknown/mysterious background, that's because you're judging a trilogy on the first movie. You know what film received a lot of backlash when it first came out? Empire Strikes Back. It left too much up in the air, the Vader being Luke's father thing came out of nowhere, no one was happy, Han was captured. I don't know if either of you are old enough to remember that backlash. It was Return of the Jedi that completed that story, and, in turn, made Empire the best in the Star Wars trilogy. Patience, padawan.

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What training, him hitting a remote ? The training that was shown in the PT to be a kindergarden activity for toddlers, presumably after sessions of ''play with plasticine, but with the Force''

That is part of the illusion of disbelieve, Luke have some traning prior and he have a voice instructor to helpe him, compare to "I did believe the force was a myth, but one day later I am a master....

[sarahtasher]

That conservation go in circles, but frankly, that Rey is OP compared to a ''normal'' movie might be a point. That she is OP compared to Luke is very discutable.

I mean, FFS, it's Star Wars. Yoda with the Force is able to massacre with ease entire platoon of elite soldiers. It's the setting in which a legion of the elite of the empire was mauled by teddy bears

[RobertoCarlos]

Do you know anything about selective amnesia? Certain motor skills, if trained enough, can become subconscious, and not tied to rote memorization lost during amnesia.

Then, on top of it, in this series, you have an amorphous divine Force that is pushing its own goals, manifested through different people. It's almost like Ian Malcolm's "Nature will find a way" line from Jurassic Park - those that the Force wants to act through won't be able to be fully suppressed forever. Maybe you can fully suppress them for a time, or partially suppress them for a longer time, but not for good.

As for the criticisms that it doesn't feel "particularly satisfactory" to have her have an unknown/mysterious background, that's because you're judging a trilogy on the first movie. You know what film received a lot of backlash when it first came out? Empire Strikes Back. It left too much up in the air, the Vader being Luke's father thing came out of nowhere, no one was happy, Han was captured. I don't know if either of you are old enough to remember that backlash. It was Return of the Jedi that completed that story, and, in turn, made Empire the best in the Star Wars trilogy. Patience, padawan.

Ok then, answer me one question. Only one. Who in the film a force awakens dislikes Rey? Who gives her shit. Cant say ren or snoke because they want to turn her to the darkside to join them. So who in the film is anti Rey? The canteen guy who wanted BB8?

[sarahtasher]

Ok then, answer me one question. Only one. Who in the film a force awakens dislikes Rey? Who gives her shit. Cant say ren or snoke because they want to turn her to the darkside to join them. So who in the film is anti Rey? The canteen guy who wanted BB8?

Hmm, everyone except Matz and the heroes.

-She is hated by her salvager boss
-She gets in fight with people on Jakku
-She gets fired on by stormtroopers (no way, they miss her !)

[RobertoCarlos]

Hmm, everyone except Matz and the heroes.

Can you be more specific or is your final answer just the generic stormtrooper army? Who want to capture her to get her to join up with them.

[sarahtasher]

Can you be more specific or is your final answer just the generic stormtrooper army? Who want to capture her to get her to join up with them.

Which is standard procedure for a Sith Lord, who will waste a SD and it's crew for the chance of testing his apprentice. (If Luke had been turned to the Dark Side with the Death Star destroyed and the Imperial Fleet burnt, Palpatine would probably have considered it a very good deal. )

[RobertoCarlos]

Hmm, everyone except Matz and the heroes.

-She is hated by her salvager boss
-She gets in fight with people on Jakku
-She gets fired on by stormtroopers (no way, they miss her !)

Whos the salvager boss? you mean the guy that gives food rations for scraps? I already said him as the canteen guy. So only one. As I said and its a tiny bit character and hes only anti Rey because she didnt give him BB8 for the order

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Which is standard procedure for a Sith Lord, who will waste a SD and it's crew for the chance of testing his apprentice. (If Luke had been turned to the Dark Side with the Death Star destroyed and the Imperial Fleet burnt, Palpatine would probably have considered it a very good deal. )

Yeah but my point is who is anti Rey? you can only come up with no bodies like tiny 1minute segments of fighting on Jakku. Even the main villain/conflict wants Reys OPness

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Yeah its called bad writing. And it breaks immersion these kind of theater tricks. Also there's no harm in asking for the universe you are watching to have consistent rules. You cant just fly stuff because it's a movie. That breaks immersion and enjoyment levels

So in your opinion we have never in the history of all movies had a good written movie. I mean in all movies you have to imply some things. Did this person take driving courses? Do they ever take a piss? Did they get training? Can everyone in this world run like an Olympic athlete?

The question isn't writhing really. It's more willingness to accept its just a fantasy. Or if you don't, more the likely, just shitting on someone just enjoying themselves is the goal. I mean it's ok to just not like something.

[RobertoCarlos]

So in your opinion we have never in the history of all movies had a good written movie. I mean in all movies you have to imply some things. Did this person take driving courses? Do they ever take a piss? Did they get training? Can everyone in this world run like an Olympic athlete?

The question isn't writhing really. It's more willingness to accept its just a fantasy. Or if you don't, more the likely, just shitting on someone just enjoying themselves.

Let me give you an example of good writing.

Recent film wind river. In this film wind river you have Jeremy Renners character who is a wild life protection specialist. We see him hunting wolves and protecting peoples livestock. He uses a hunting rifle and wears camo to do this.

When it turns out the town has rapist murderers on the loose, Jeremy Renners character can help the local authorities because of his knowledge on the rough landscape, and his ability to defend himself and others because hes been a hunter all his life.

See how they set up his job and hobbies so its more realistic later on when we see him shooting down people from 100 yards away with a rifle?

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So in your opinion we have never in the history of all movies had a good written movie. I mean in all movies you have to imply some things. Did this person take driving courses? Do they ever take a piss? Did they get training? Can everyone in this world run like an Olympic athlete?

Heroes and heroines are normaly experts in some subjects, like there profession and recreational activity. I can asume a western secret agent know how to drive a car and shoot a gun, be atletic and I will not be suprise if he know the Russian language, but I will be confused if he can read Egyptian hieroglyfer, if it is not foreshadowing like he is a amateur archeologlist. Now it also turns out that he is a master brain surgery then the plot need a master brain surgery.... then what the =I"""#KS)(

It all come back to that Rey is a multi-genius who can do everything then the plot demand it...

[sarahtasher]

Heroes and heroines are normaly experts in some subjects, like there profession and recreational activity. I can asume a western secret agent know how to drive a car and shoot a gun, be atletic and I will not be suprise if he know the Russian language, but I will be confused if he can read Egyptian hieroglyfer, if it is not foreshadowing like he is a amateur archeologlist. Now it also turns out that he is a master brain surgery then the plot need a master brain surgery.... then what the =I"""#KS)(

It all come back to that Rey is a multi-genius who can do everything then the plot demand it...

She have the Force.

[Fayolynn]

Hey dude, the original movie have the Rebel Alliance taking for pilot for the do or die strike a farmboy that they don't know...

A farm boy they didn't know who just rescued a key member of their organisation from their enemies greatest weapon and had a current member who as vouching for him.

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That conservation go in circles, but frankly, that Rey is OP compared to a ''normal'' movie might be a point. That she is OP compared to Luke is very discutable.

I mean, FFS, it's Star Wars. Yoda with the Force is able to massacre with ease entire platoon of elite soldiers. It's the setting in which a legion of the elite of the empire was mauled by teddy bears

Rey has more skills and uses them more proficiency then any of the other protagonists and her worst character flaw is wanting to stay home so her family might find her one day. She is a hyper capable character that needs no help throughout the entire movie. They even made a joke about her rescuing herself. The fact that the main bad guy has to train to be a credible threat to her speaks volumes

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Hmm, everyone except Matz and the heroes.

-She is hated by her salvager boss
-She gets in fight with people on Jakku
-She gets fired on by stormtroopers (no way, they miss her !)

Her boss doesn't hate her. She was left with him so he intentionally short changes her to keep her there and keep her safe. She got in 1 fight on Jakku when other salavagers tried to take the droid from her for the credits but other then that they leave her alone. Nameless storm troopers are the closest you got to someone who actually hates her...

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Let me give you an example of good writing.

Recent film wind river. In this film wind river you have Jeremy Renners character who is a wild life protection specialist. We see him hunting wolves and protecting peoples livestock. He uses a hunting rifle and wears camo to do this.

When it turns out the town has rapist murderers on the loose, Jeremy Renners character can help the local authorities because of his knowledge on the rough landscape, and his ability to defend himself and others because hes been a hunter all his life.

See how they set up his job and hobbies so its more realistic later on when he see him shooting down people from 100 yards away with a rifle?

Well it seems like Luke's hobbie was flying. He could bulls eye whomp rats while FLYING though a canyon in a ship very similar t an x wing. I mean if you want to make a case his dad being 10 and blowing up the ship by going on auto pilot and then crashing into the hanger and then accidentally pulling the trigger while accidentally hitting the reactor and then accidentally flying out. Sure. You got a case. But Luke seems like someone they understands how to fly.