[Blue] Epics will be epic again in Cataclysm!

[sicness]

Whats the point of having colors if they represent nothing? In the old days you looked at the color, now all drops are purple and you have to look at itemlevel.

That's my point though, why do the colors matter so much to people and why should they? Item level and the stats on them are what really matter, and while the color of the item can hint at it being better than others in the end it's really meaningless.

[Nekrol]

I presume you will still be able to get gear through the emblem system in Cata, so how will that work? Are you only able to buy rare gear with emblems dropped by heroic bosses or what?

Hopefully it will work out just as it did in TBC, there's a few items that's viable to use in your gear setup until you get a better drop from a raid. I'll take this as an example. As a rogue in TBC you could get the Nyn'jah tabi boots from the badge vendor, those pair of boots were one of your best choices in that gear slot until you reached Mother Sharaz in BT, But they were released during the ZA patch after BT was. And there was only one trinket available for purchase for melee.

[Mykk]

this isnt going to happen like good old times. ofc they can say they would like to restore epicness but its never going to happen if there is badge vendors around and content is easy as its now. Its diffrent story if badge vendor provides only blue items etc but lets see what blizzard has in mind ^^

[Thafisker]

Tres interessant :P

Sounds more like TBC then, with the majority dropping blues and some of the harder end-bosses dropping an epic

You do realise though that this is purely a cosmetic thing. There were a lot of iLevel200 blues that you could get at the end of Icecrown/Storm Peaks and in dungeons that were just as good as epics. Mark of the War Prisoner to name one, that was my DPS trinket for sooooooo long cause of the huge amount of hit it had

No its not just a cosmetic thing. The 200 iLevel epics are better than the 200 iLevel blues. I'm just wondering if we are going to see blues with higher iLevel than epics, like blues with 219 iLevel, while there are still epics with iLevel 200 and 213. Could be something that would make people have to inspect eachother again to see whether the gear is good or not.

[Sinea]

/cheer for Epic Epics...
although i sorta see it happening like this: 4.0, Bads have blues and starter epics (Bads could get full epic in 3.0), raiders in part epics, Hardcore people are in almost Full epics, including BiS///4.1, Bads have some blues and some epics, about half each(Any Bads could nearly fill their Character with epics in 3.1)\\\4.2 Epics become a "lol" factor, item level takes over\\\and 4.3 i see it the same as 3.3 was, bads are in gear the average raider would be in at 3.2)
Overall i'd rather this then the way Wrath was. P.S. I may be addicted to the word "Bads"

Edit: (Im just gonna bring everything down to level 80 just to rationally scale) Lets say in Heroics, 187 ilvl stuff drops (Non-Heroic 80 dungeon nonfinal boss loot) from bosses and ilvl 200 blues from heroic end bosses rather then epics, and lets say for when ToC5 comes out, 200 blues/213 blues drop; Not epic, mostly just to show that you aren't "epic-d" out and you know your stuff... Chances are Blizz wont do this though, since people who NEVER raid wouldnt get Epics at all.

[nwyfre]

Protip: ZG was NOT the first raid in Vanilla. If we want to get Technical UBRS/Strat/Scholo were all "raids" I believe BRD could be 10 manned as well, but memory is fading...

BRD, could be 40 manned :P
Used to be how you got to Molten core

[RobbyJM]

Queue the players that will go on and on about epics being too hard to achieve.

It's going to happen, and I shall laugh when it does.

[Vetis]

it doesnt change anything except epeen meters, its just text colour. Old epics were far too powerful when it got to t2 and 3 especially and they wont allow it to overbalance the game like that again.
so yeah, good for insecure people..no change for people who play for fun.

[kildal]

Doubt it.

As Kyiran says it will be the same pattern and blizzard will give people epics for very little effort no matter what the say here.

However, though i sound very negative, i like the way the game goes as i get more and more casual myself.

I like how i can get more out of the game in less time.


What made epics so epic in vanilla had to do with the playerbase, back then players sucked and the content was less userfriendly(some call it hard, i don't agree). If we were given vanilla now we would have cleared it fast and easy and whined it was welfare epics anyways because we're so damn good at playing this game!

New players now get a better welcome to the game and everyone gets help to have fun (and get epics). This rocks for blizzard and they make tons of money.

I do think that blizzard knows very well what we mean when we want the epic feeling of vanilla back (not items but the game as a whole), but it appeals to a much smaller community of more dedicated players.

I guess we have to stick with what the give us. which is if we think about it a heck of a game with endless of options to do and work on!


Looking forward to Catalysm

[sicness]

Don't think you've played in Vanilla or early TBC, you never looked at a guys itemlevels. You looked if he had enough epics, for example, a raid could require you having atleast 6 epics. Early WOTLK a naxx group required you to have the epic achievement. Then came the evil Gearscore crap, you won't even need itemlevels and most people don't even look at stats, just take what ever gives them better gearscore.

And yeah, I don't think anyone is proud about their rare having 5 more stamina than an other rare, or their epic having 5 more stamina either.

You could walk proudly in full epics, which were hard to obtain. WOTLK could be fixed by making most raid drops rare, and the really better ones epic, for instance the hardmode ones and the real endgame items.

Epic used to mean its among the best for the level it required, now it means it might be good.

I did play then, and I do know what you're speaking of, but again why should a players gear simply be resorted to looking at item color instead of level? Just to make it easier to see if he's bad or not?

The funny thing is, the same thing went on in BC except people didn't care about it as much because not everyone was in t6 or t5 or even t4, so people had blues and greens on. But now that everyone has epics on people don't feel as special so they don't think that t8 or t9 is that impressive, when why should it be held to any less regard just because you can obtain it with badges?

I have no clue where you got the idea of 'Early WOTLK a naxx group required you to have the epic achievement.' though, as I was actually late to get the expansion with my guild and the majority of us did it in blues with a few epic pieces and I didn't even get the epic achievement until 2 months of raiding naxx as the guilds main tank. Neither did you simply look at a players gear color in BC and judge whether or not he should be in a raid. Just because players abuse an addon doesn't mean epic gear is shunned because it's 'so easy' to obtain.

The best gear is still hard to obtain, just because it's the same color as previous tiers and what 'casuals' can get doesn't make it bad.

[Nekrol]

Actually you are still missing it. The post is about epics being something to be proud of again, no matter where they are from. The fact someone is full epic should mean he is good/badass/whatever. Now you can achieve that status by doing just heroics.

Not everyone checks from where an item drops. And nowadays no-one cares if item is epic or not, everyone just looks at itemlevel. Anything below epic is considered total crap nowadays.

Are you even thoroughly reading my post? I'm saying the word HEROIC not gear from some shabby emblem vendor. And by the way you're talking you haven't done any of these hard encounters and that's a shame because if you had your oppinion would be totally different. I haven't said a word about doing "herp derp zerg" heroics bringing any kind of epic feeling as to achieving gear. And why would you be proud of the gear you have, isn't it the progress of certain raids that counts? So Ammikaameri have you done Death's demise, did you kill algalon 25 during the ulduar patch have you progressed in icc25 hc?

[Nekrol]

I find people like you so hard to understand, seriously. You are so into this game I can't even comprehend your thought process and your moral views... and so stubborn.

Am i so into this game? if you mean raiding one sunday regular icc25 for like max 3 hours or less and doing some random pugs with friends, sure i'm into this game and i like it, that's why i play it :>. And what does anything that i said during that post have to do with my moral views? I just said that if you infact were raiding hardcore you are achieving what few others are and isn't that worth more then some silly epics? And if you have let's say that 2 handed sword from LK25hc doesnt that mean that you achieved something by getting that item and doesnt that item then represent that you achieved something epic? thereby EPIC feel

[sicness]

And still you missed the point. The colour should SHOW that its hard to obtain. The badge ones could just be colored blue. The whole word HEROIC on items was a weird idea, in my opinion of course.

But why? There's ilvl and the stats to look at to tell how good an item is. Why should they have to make the color of the item distinguish it more? You can look at a fully epic'd player right now and tell if they do hard modes or not just by looking at their ilvl, why should they make it differentiated by color as well?

[Foxhoundn]

BUT FFS I WANT FREE EPICS ... screw you blizzard! youre ruining the game!

[Takuyi]

The new epic is called iLvl.. A guy with iLvl 200 epics isn't the same as one with iLvl 277 and with a iLvl 284 weapon from LK25 HC.

Seriously, the amount of nostalgia in this thread nearly kills me.
Nothing were as good as you "remember" it to be.
And yes, i did play vanilla.

[Nekrol]

Then how can you have an oppinion about said matter if you haven't even experienced it Ammikaameri?

[Fatale]

Yaman! Let the epics be EPPPIIIXXX again!

I remember from vanilla when i nearly got a boner, at around lvl 30 with my 1st char, after seeing a high warlord + full epic pvp gear + gangsta pvp raptor mounted troll hunter.
(i was like WTF and followed him as long as i could with ma travelform) Q('_')--Q

I really felt that these guys running with tier 2 sets were as epicly cool as the colour of purple is.

cant really say the same ever since TBC.

[Schweddy]

iirc MC was teh first raid, ZG was patched in at a latter date.

If memory serves right MC was not in from the begining it was patch in.
And as said before Strat, Scholo and the 2 BRS instances where the 1st raids in game

[Ademonium]

Yay for more epicness and less epics.

[Grenik]

I don't see how this is a game changing decision, but I never got the whole "epic is epic"-thing either.