The Sniper Training hate!

[Penguintamer]

On level 90 maybe, but on level 100 you do have procs in the form of AiS crits returning focus. A macro would probably make you waste focus, and thus lose DPS.

That's not a real proc. What exactly will we be spending that extra focus on? Marksmanship already gets 20 additional max focus as a leveling perk and nothing in their rotation costs any significant amount. It's literally a proc to continue spamming Aimed Shot. Instant Aimed Shots were a lot more interesting.

[Deleted]

It might be decent in PVE but its completely stupid for PVP.

There is just no purpose into buffing mastery with gear,it will be full critical/haste for MM,not mastery. Unless you do RBGS and stay hidden behind the lines just like an...elemental shaman. Not my idea of hunter really. You can't afford to monitor this buff in PVP unless you are camping a graveyard and therefore destroying the enemy with or without it.

But the main problem with MM is aimed shot as the focus dump,its so tedious and clunky once again in pvp. It already takes 2sec+ to cast now but at lvl 100 with such low amounts of haste with gear what will it be 2.5?3? That so boring

[Alvito]

Get used to using Fox when you can't have sniper training fall off but have to move, problem solved.

[Deleted]

Thats such a bullshit generalization, I hate sniper training because its out of my hands (unlike fox). There will be plenty of situations when I can do nothing to stop it from falling off, thats bullshit and outdated, imo. Yes in an ideal situation on an ideal pull you have, you stop every 3 seconds for 3 seconds to keep your buff up, but guess what thats not going to happen very often on progression. When you need to move because of ''something (bad)'' the last thing you should be looking/thinking about is your sniper training buff. Yet everytime I do, there will be a voice in my head saying: ''stop moving, be high on the skillmeter instead''.
I also ''somehow'' doubt that blizz will balance MM around this buff, seeing as they failed to balance us properly for so long.

Other than that I dont want to be looking at my buff all the time, which is going to happen. Very nice that you get abilities you need to ''think'' about, but its a little less fun for me when I just have to monitor it all the time and adjust accordingly when possible. For me this ability is 3 steps backwards, Fox was a better idea than this dumb uptime buff.

Another reason I dislike it is because its not a new idea, its an old one. Instead of coming up with something new they just slightly update an old mechanic. I'm all for an ability that makes us a little less mobile/think about movement, but this is not it. Saying ppl qq because it requires thought clearly shows you either dont care about the things mentioned or you just didnt think about it, in any case theres some actual critism against this ability. Its not a dealbreaker for me, but I dont like it either, I am allowed to have that opinion and complain about it without rerolling.

You lose DPS when moving, join the club mate. Everyone got mobility nerfs. Suck it up and accept it as it is.

[Deleted]

i dont understand how people can hate it who only care about pve :3 its actually a good thing to ve sniper training... the 2 other speccs feel rather dull without having to take care of such a thing.....back in the day it was actually a skill that seperated hunters from one another....when to move to gain dps <:

[idunnowatdo]

i like it. Makes me think about how much i need to move. hmmm would a disengage work or do i just need so shuffle about a bit

[Deleted]

ST is a bonus buff. MM does the most upfront damage of all three specs even without ST up. MM is the damage spec, Surv is the utility spec and BM is the a jack of all trades master of none spec.

ST rewards you by giving you bonus damage if you stand still, you don't need that bonus damage to be viable in pvp. ST is not like the former ret paladin's Inquisition that you needed to keep up, now THAT was annoying.

Once again, you don't need ST to do great damage, your damage is very good even while moving. ST is bonus damage that you don't need unless you've popped cds and are going for a kill in arena.

[Daws001]

I hated ST on Day 1. After coming back to it this week, and spending a good bit of raid time with it, I'm loving MM now. I just need to search for a good ST tracker/addon.

Looking forward to Lone Wolf now. I'll have to give Surv another shot too. I also didn't like the changes on Day 1 but haven't played it since.

[Tehterokkar]

I hated ST on Day 1. After coming back to it this week, and spending a good bit of raid time with it, I'm loving MM now. I just need to search for a good ST tracker/addon.

Looking forward to Lone Wolf now. I'll have to give Surv another shot too. I also didn't like the changes on Day 1 but haven't played it since.

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[Daws001]

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Oh sweet, ty!

[Donkeywing]

You lose DPS when moving, join the club mate. Everyone got mobility nerfs. Suck it up and accept it as it is.

In the post you quoted from me you can clearly see me saying ''I'm all for an ability that makes us a little less mobile, but this is not it''.

You completely missed my point, which is that I think its a shit ability for multiple reasons, not that we shouldnt have a spec that isnt 100% mobile.

[Maxie]

I like that there is an incentive to stay still. Otherwise, it's easy to trivialize movement imo. I got tired of playing MoP ele sham fairly quickly.

[Deleted]

Thank you for the WA String Tehterokkar