Bring the High Elves Back!

[Deleted]

You can't tell the difference between a living human and a zombie? Everyone else sure as hell can.

This is what I repeatedly tell and some people seem not to get. You cannot mistake something without a jaw, with holes for eyes, with colourless skin, reeking of death and decay and missing whole patches of skin and muscle tissue so you can directly see the bones for a living human. Bodies in such a state are usually everything, but not alive. Many "The Walking Dead" zombies look more human than some Forsaken models in this game do!

[Talen]

You can't tell the difference between a living human and a zombie? Everyone else sure as hell can.

You are trying to use a lore explanantion to suggest the two are different...and I'm pointing out that lorewise, the two ARE often indistinguishable. Lorewise, the Forsaken often look like humans...because they ARE humans. That they are Undead provides differentiation up close...and allows them to be mistaken for human corpses even then...but trying to make the argument that the Forsaken look different in lore doesn't work because many of them don't.

Sure - you get up close enough you can see differences. And there are some who look very different, even at aa distance...but there are those who don't. Who can pass for human at times.

But right now - all you are doing is trying to prove that an Undead human is not the same as an Undead human. That stance of yours is patently ridiculous.

Some Forsaken at least CAN pass for humans or human corpses. We know this..this is canon. So, lorewise, the physical differences aren't that great. Gameplaywise, we know why rthe Forsaken have a different model...faction indentity and gameplay....the silhouette system.

You can't seriously deny that the Forsaken are human..because they are. Being Undead doesn't change that. If it did, then human DKs woudln't be human.

You are expending a large amount of effort to prove something that you cannot prove, because it isn't true. That the Forsaken are not human. And it is a wasted effort.

First - if I'm right, then that means that Blizzard has a precedent in play and can create a new model for the HElfs, one which looks different from BElfs.
Second - if I'm wrong, all that means is that Blizzard doesn't have a precedent in play.

Either way - if Blizzard decide to make playable HElfs, a new model is inevitable. The "extra work argument" doesn't work because this will be work Blizzard is doing anyway. Whetehr they'd be addign Ethereals or Drakonids or whatever, Blizzard would need to work on a new model. The same race argument doesn't work because Blizzard will NOT give the Alliance the BElf model

There is no way HElfs will not get a mopdel different from the BElfs. Not a chance. If they are made playable, a new model is a necessity, something Blizzard needs to do. Why? Because faction identity issues mean the Alliance could never get the BElf model. That will NOT be shared.

We know what will happen if the HElfs are added. A brand new model for them would be inevitable - unless you think Blizzard would be willing to share the BElf model. This isn't something that may happen, or may be nice to have...this is something that WILL happen, so long as Blizzard values faction identity.

None of this, however, will have any impact on any decision by Blizzard to add High Elfs.

Of which there are two routes.

Either Blizzard holds a selection process whereby it chooses froma number of races. Or it simply selects a race.

If the former takes place....High Elfs will fail simply because they are "boring". Bland. Add nothing to the Alliance.
And if the latter? If Blizzard simply decides to add a race, they'll add it.

Which is why the amount of effort you are using to try and prove that undead humans somehow aren't undead humans or humans is...amusing...but ultimately wasted.

EJL

[Thimagryn]

the two ARE often indistinguishable. Lorewise, the Forsaken often look like humans...because they ARE humans.

What? Are you really serious?

There isn't any lore that points out that Forsaken are indistinguishable from humans. They clearly look undead and even if you can't tell by sight, you will by the smell.

[Aquamonkey]

You are trying to use a lore explanantion to suggest the two are different...and I'm pointing out that lorewise, the two ARE often indistinguishable. Lorewise, the Forsaken often look like humans...because they ARE humans. That they are Undead provides differentiation up close...and allows them to be mistaken for human corpses even then...but trying to make the argument that the Forsaken look different in lore doesn't work because many of them don't.

Sure - you get up close enough you can see differences. And there are some who look very different, even at aa distance...but there are those who don't. Who can pass for human at times.

Elves and humans are indistinguishable. Lorewise, Elves often look like humans...because they ARE humanoid. That they are elves provides differentiation up close...and allows them to be mistaken for a human with long ears even then...but trying to make the argument that the Elves look different in lore doesn't work because many of them don't.

Sure - you get up close enough you can see differences. And there are some who look very different, even at a distance...but there are those who don't. Who can pass for human at times.

[Rhlor]

alterac humans for the horde, stromgarde racial capital

[Aquamonkey]

Which is why the amount of effort you are using to try and prove that undead humans somehow aren't undead humans or humans is...amusing...but ultimately wasted.

Forsaken are predominantly undead humans. You're claiming that they are indistinguishable from or the same as living humans, both of which are ludicrous assertions. Nobody mistakes an undead (DK or otherwise) for a living member of their race.

[Alanar]

What? Are you really serious?

There isn't any lore that points out that Forsaken are indistinguishable from humans. They clearly look undead and even if you can't tell by sight, you will by the smell.

Yea.. thats talen.. trying to create something out of thin air... whats next tauren en dreanei are the same cus both have hooves??

[Zulkhan]

I'll post this just to sub and see where this umpteenth "High Elf" thread will go.

Horde players just dont want to face the fact that if High Elves were added to Alliance, Horde would be dead.

No, they would just laugh their ass off witnessing all the terrible excuses and inconsistencies Blizzard had to come up with to please fans with nostalgic issues.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...8High-Elves%29

He made other examples but I ain't going looking for them.

Here we go: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...5#post21309385

Never ever! Those demonic elves must die all! They are traitors and defilers! Alleria Windrunner will not allow none of those corrupt gay elves be near her in the same way that she disgust the orcs, trolls and undead ...

Long live the true Quel'dorei! For Alleria! For the Alliance!

Guess what is the High Elves, Night elves and Blood elves biggest fault? PRIDE

I can assure you that while Night and Blood Elves are no joke about that, High Elves still manage to beat them by a long margin, which implies that the best way to get rid of them is through mass-slaughter (well, "mass" is a generous addition when it comes to High Elves).

Maybe she can teach the night elves to have human baebes

They don't need her for that, I'm pretty sure a week of unprotected prostitution in Stormwind will grant Night Elf women all the human babies they want.

Ofcourse, there's also the Dwarf district. And some Gnome here and there. They need to be careful.

Yes. High elves are not blood elves, it's like saying night elves are trolls (splinters).

Sure, political differences is all that make a Troll different from a Night Elf. In fact, everytime I made a Troll I had to be very careful in not accidentally creating a Night Elf and find myself stucked on the blue side.

By that logic, you can assume night elves and blood elves are the same race

So you realized the Night Elf/Troll - High Elf/Blood Elf comparison was terrible and now is about Night Elves and Blood Elves? These two races may not be different like Nelfs and Trolls, but they developed very different physical traits marking them as different races, or at least different species. It's vaguely similar to the differences between the various Troll kinds, Ice, Sand, Forest, Jungle ecc. just a bit more drastic; and even if all the people belonging to these different species are all "Trolls", there's still more than mere politics and ideology drawing differences between them, they have physical differences, sometimes very prominent (like Forest and Ice Trolls being very distinct from Jungle and Sand Trolls, or Zandalari being strongly different from any other Troll).

High Elves and Blood Elves share none of this. They are identical in basically every way except the eye colour, which is far less prominent than the skin color difference between Mag'har and Fel-tainted Orcs. Still, people see Mag'har as nothing but a sub-race for "standard" Orcs, and rightfully so; why High Elves have to be considered a "different race"? They have nothing to demonstrate that. They took a different name when they abandoned Quel'thalas. They were Blood Elves too before doing so. It's all about different ideologies and views. Nothing else. Nothing. Else.

Blood elves, unlike High elves, can turn into the Wretched should they ever succumb to their addiction.

Quel'Lithien says hi.

The book Lands of Conflict mentions them as separate races.

Lands of Conflict is RPG stuff, therefore not canon. Canon material describe High Elves as bilogically identical to Blood Elves in every way.

otherwise we are no better then the NORTHEMS

Seem we have some breed to exterminate with fire in our hands.

I always thought it was lack of blood to the brain from furiously pleasuring himself to Calia Menethil fanart while envisioning himself as Arth--

That's some Game of Thrones kind of fucked up shit.

There are more High Elves then Darkspear Trolls

Strange though that only High Elves are refered to be on the brink of extinction.

High Elves if anything have far lower numbers than Gnomes, Draenei or Darkspear Trolls. Not only that, while these 3 groups are organized populations with a precise and solid leadership, High Elves are just fucked up, diveded and spread all over the world. Vereesa is merely the leader of the Silver Covenant, not of all High Elves.

Why is it OK for the Trolls or Tauren to be playable races despite being on the brink of extinction and not the HElfs?

Excatly because they're not anymore. Both have stable homes now, a clear and common leadership and all the ways to prosper as a people.

High Elves were messed up to begin with, and Blizzard even took fun in exterminate one of their bigger "bastions" (Quel'Lithien) for the hell of it.

High Elves are disorganized, divided and keep dying without any precise direction or leadership to save them. They are, by all means, doomed.