Should Blizzard consider taking a page out of SE's book regarding content?

[Eleccybubb]

FFXIV has so little that it is a shame. I just want to be honest here. I played at the beginning of the xpac for it.

By the end of launch week, with less time than I put into legion launch, I had finished the storyline and maxed level out.

Now here is the problem, with only one raid and not opening up for 2 weeks(i think it was 2 weeks) I had to grind dungeons for badges for gear.

The problem is only like Neverreap and one other dungeon were available for grind. I did neverreap more times than I can count. I got burnt out so quickly.

I stopped playing as soon as the first wing of alexander opened up. The first wing was very weak if anyone here was there for it.

To be fair, I heard they fixed a lot and added a ton more.
But if Blizzard followed the same path, we would be have "wow is dead" posts all over.
People did complain on the FFXIV forums but never close to as much hate you get for WoW.

Gordias wasn't that bad. Just Savage decided to focus on DPS checks more than anything which was moronic. Other problem as well was there was a 6 month gap between 3.0 and 3.1 instead of the usual 3 month gap so people got disdained.

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and final fantasy has added their first
and added 1 new class and 1 new race...
(yes its 3 classes... but then i guess wow has added 8 classes over the expansions as 3 spec,s 3 specs, 2 specs)

not saying final fantasy is bad just that there is nothing SUPER special about what they added in the expansion

It's 3 classes. Stop trying to paint it differently because you choose to see it that way. WoW has added 3 over the course of it's lifetime as well. Monk, DK and Demon Hunter. Enough with this 1 spec = 1 class bull. It doesn't. FF14 has added 1 new race and WoW has added 5 and each game has added 3 new classes.

[FelPlague]

Gordias wasn't that bad. Just Savage decided to focus on DPS checks more than anything which was moronic. Other problem as well was there was a 6 month gap between 3.0 and 3.1 instead of the usual 3 month gap so people got disdained.

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It's 3 classes. Stop trying to paint it differently because you choose to see it that way. WoW has added 3 over the course of it's lifetime as well. Monk, DK and Demon Hunter. Enough with this 1 spec = 1 class bull. It doesn't. FF14 has added 1 new race and WoW has added 5 and each game has added 3 new classes.

well he said 3 classes, and if i remember correctly classes in that game dont have specs
thats what i was saying that they have added 3 new play styles

or does each of these classes have 3 specs/playstyles? or is it just 1 playstyle

[Eleccybubb]

well he said 3 classes, and if i remember correctly classes in that game dont have specs
thats what i was saying that they have added 3 new play styles

They have added 3 classes. Period. WoW has added 3 as well. There is no arguing this. Also playstyle does not determine how many classes it is. You pick a Monk then you are playing 1 class that is a Monk. Specs do not suddenly indicate a different class. Specialisation is the way you play that class.

WoW- Death Knight, Demon Hunter and Monk.
FF14- Machinist, Astrologian and Dark Knight.

The ones in WoW have multiples specs whereas FF14 is one is Ranged, one is a Tank and one is a Healer.

[FelPlague]

They have added 3 classes. Period. WoW has added 3 as well. There is no arguing this.

except a wow class has 3 differant playstyle and final fantasy as i said, if i reemmber correctly has 1 per class

so comparing a class with 1 playstyle, to a class with 3, and they they are equal is bs

[Eleccybubb]

except a wow class has 3 differant playstyle and final fantasy as i said, if i reemmber correctly has 1 per class

so comparing a class with 1 playstyle, to a class with 3, and they they are equal is bs

Because class indicates the class. Spec indicates the damn way you play the class. WoW has added 3 classes and FF14 has added 3. Stop trying to spin it your way because you think 1 spec = 1 class when it doesn't. 3 specs = 3 different ways of playing that one class. Doesn't suddenly make it 3 classes and that is a desperate argument to cling to.

By your logic my Druid is 4 classes then yes? No it's 1 class with 4 specialisations.

[FelPlague]

Because class indicates the class. Spec indicates the damn way you play the class.

and does each class in final fantasy have multiple ways to play it?

because if not its as simple as saying "wow has 36 differant classes, the havoc class, the vengence class, the mistweaver class, the windwalker class, the brewmaster class" etc

comparing the amount of classes being added in 2 separate games, is impossible if the definition of a "class" is differant per game
for wow it is a specific lore fantasy that within it has 2-4 separate playstyles within it, with atleast 1 dps spec, and maybe a tank or heal spec
(kinda sad they puleld back on the 3 tank spec for dks... as all 3 specs COULD tank, on some fights)


its like comparing egoraptor and pewdiepie
"WTF EGORAPTOR, WHY DO YOU UPLOAD LIKE NEVER ,WELL PEWDS UPLOADS A MILLION TIMES A DAY" maybe because his videos are raw footage with small amount of editing well egoraptors content takes weeks of Story planning, VO and Animation

[Eleccybubb]

and does each class in final fantasy have multiple ways to play it?

because if not its as simple as saying "wow has 36 differant classes, the havoc class, the vengence class, the mistweaver class, the windwalker class, the brewmaster class" etc

comparing the amount of classes being added in 2 separate games, is impossible if the definition of a "class" is differant per game
for wow it is a specific lore fantasy that within it has 2-4 separate playstyles within it, with atleast 1 dps spec, and maybe a tank or heal spec
(kinda sad they puleld back on the 3 tank spec for dks... as all 3 specs COULD tank, on some fights)


its like comparing egoraptor and pewdiepie
"WTF EGORAPTOR, WHY DO YOU UPLOAD LIKE NEVER ,WELL PEWDS UPLOADS A MILLION TIMES A DAY" maybe because his videos are raw footage with small amount of editing well egoraptors content takes weeks of Story planning, VO and Animation

And so what if it doesn't? It is still 3 classes. Also no Mistweaver is not a class it is a specialisation of the Monk Class. Enough with this nonsense that suddenly WoW has 36 classes just because of specialisations. It doesn't. It has TWELVE classes. Having multiple roles does not suddenly multiply the amount of classes. You can spin it how you want. Fact is WoW has added 3 classes in it's lifetime and has 12 in total.

http://www.wowhead.com/classes

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/classes

Even the site pretty much says 12 classes. Hell my old manual for the original box says 9 classes. So no specialisations are not suddenly counted as a new class just because you think so.

So let's go through this again. World of Warcraft has 12 classes and added 3 in it's lifetime. FF14 has 13 and added 3 in it's lifetime.

[FelPlague]

And so what if it doesn't? It is still 3 classes. Also no Mistweaver is not a class it is a specialisation of the Monk Class. Enough with this nonsense that suddenly WoW has 36 classes just because of specialisations. It doesn't. It has TWELVE classes. Having multiple roles does not suddenly multiply the amount of classes. You can spin it how you want. Fact is WoW has added 3 classes in it's lifetime and has 12 in total.

http://www.wowhead.com/classes

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/classes

Even the site pretty much says 12 classes. Hell my old manual for the original box says 9 classes. So no specialisations are not suddenly counted as a new class just because you think so.

So let's go through this again. World of Warcraft has 12 classes and added 3 in it's lifetime. FF14 has 13 and added 3 in it's lifetime.

... eleccybubb have you been drinking too much rum and eggnog?

so your saying these 3 classes final fantasy added, are the exact same in every way, playstyles, skills, customization, and devolpment time, as wows three classes they added?

[Eleccybubb]

... eleccybubb have you been drinking too much rum and eggnog?

so your saying these 3 classes final fantasy added, are the exact same in every way, playstyles, skills, customization, and devolpment time, as wows three classes they added?

How the hell is that possible when FF14 does things differently such as the Cross class skill system? Where did I even say that? Never. A class is a class period. World of Warcraft has Twelve classes and FF14 has Thirteen is what I said. This is a fact. You are the one who seems to think each specialisation in WoW makes that class suddenly equal more than one. You can argue semantics all you want. Fact is there are 12 and 13 for each game respectively.

[dextersmith]

Despite balance issues, I'd love 3 new classes every xp.

[Eleccybubb]

Despite balance issues, I'd love 3 new classes every xp.

Apparently we are supposedly getting 2 in Stormblood but I doubt that. Red Mage is a very good guess and supposedly the other 2 high on the list are Dancer and Samurai.

[FelPlague]

How the hell is that possible when FF14 does things differently such as the Cross class skill system? Where did I even say that? Never. A class is a class period. World of Warcraft has Twelve classes and FF14 has Thirteen is what I said. This is a fact. You are the one who seems to think each specialisation in WoW makes that class suddenly equal more than one. You can argue semantics all you want. Fact is there are 12 and 13 for each game respectively.

what im saying is they are not comparable... but you and op seem to want to compare the numbers and say "FF14 is better cause it has more classes"

maplestory has 34, maplestory wins
do the classes have any differant specs, playstyles, or customization? no
but it still has more classes so it wins

[Eleccybubb]

what im saying is they are not comparable... but you and op seem to want to compare the numbers and say "FF14 is better cause it has more classes"

maplestory has 34, maplestory wins
do the classes have any differant specs, playstyles, or customization? no
but it still has more classes so it wins

Where did I say FF14 was better because it had more lol? Seriously stop putting words in my mouth or comparing me to the OP. I said FF14 has 13 and WoW has 12 never said either was better because of that. If you are going to resort to putting words in my mouth just because the OP said it then there is no point continuing this. Even the official site says 12 classes so again factually you are wrong. When the game officially starts counting each spec as 1 unique class let me know. Until then WoW has 12 different classes and FF14 has 13 with 3 added over the course of each games lifetime.

[skitzy129]

How about you wait until they have to do another one. The first expansion is always a fucking billion times easier than the 2nd, 3rd, etc. First expansions are literally "Complete Editions" of what the developers wanted to make the vanilla game.

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They have added 3 classes. Period. WoW has added 3 as well. There is no arguing this.

LMFAO. They're not even remotely comparable hahahahaha. Every one spec in WoW is an entire class in FFXIV. Knew I must have had you blocked for a reason.

[Eleccybubb]

How about you wait until they have to do another one. The first expansion is always a fucking billion times easier than the 2nd, 3rd, etc. First expansions are literally "Complete Editions" of what the developers wanted to make the vanilla game.

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LMFAO. They're not even remotely comparable hahahahaha. Every one spec in WoW is an entire class in FFXIV. Knew I must have had you blocked for a reason.

A class is a class. Let me know when each spec counts as a unique class in the eyes of the devs and the official game pages. By this logic Guild Wars 2 has 6 trees for each class. That means my Necro counts as 6 classes right? Fuck no it doesn't. Each game may do things differently but at the end of the day a class is a class. Not 4 specs suddenly makes Druids 4 classes.

World of Warcraft has 12 and FF14 has 13. Don't see why I'm repeating myself but guess I have to. Can't help that these are the facts of each game.

[AeneasBK]

In terms of gameplay a resto druid may as well be listed as a different class to a guardian druid Yes it isn't TECHNICALLY listed as a seperate class. Technically right is the best right

Just saying if the next class they release for WoW has only 1 spec, people would be pissed Demonhunters only got 2 in the end or did they stretch it over to a third?

[Eleccybubb]

In terms of gameplay a resto druid may as well be listed as a different class to a guardian druid Yes it isn't TECHNICALLY listed as a seperate class. Technically right is the best right

Just saying if the next class they release for WoW has only 1 spec, people would be pissed Demonhunters only got 2 in the end or did they stretch it over to a third?

DH only got 2. And in terms of technically yeah. But WoW and FF14 handle their class systems differently so how people can even compare them is beyond me. A class is a single class at the end of the day whether it has 1 playstyle or 3. FF14 also does cross class skills which WoW doesn't which separates the systems even further.

[Deleted]

I prefer Blizzard and their quality of patches instead of some crap like FF (which also has an damn UGLY graphic)

[Eleccybubb]

I prefer Blizzard and their quality of patches instead of some crap like FF (which also has an damn UGLY graphic)

Graphical preference is a matter of taste. Especially when FF14 goes for the more realistic approach and WoW goes for a more cartoonish approach. Which each game does amazingly with imo. Azsuna and Suramar in WoW look pretty damn sick. FF14 in certain areas with Glare turned on looks pretty astounding as well. Especially Mor Dhona with Gloom where the crystals are.

[Darsithis]

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