Will having 54 points in weap now get you all new talents instantly? (cept for final?

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anyone knows?

[drezlik]

It's 3 or 4 points worth of traits

[Flurryfang]

Yeah, you will not be able to get all new traits.

Compared to the original traits, you will need a much higher amount of AP to get the new traits. This is balanced out by new AK ranks, but your current amount of AP will not get you very far ahead in the AP race.

[Khrux]

If your 54 traits in 7.15, you'll have enough AP refunded to give you 4.75 traits in 7.2

You'll get AK26 for "free" by completing a quest, so you'll quickly gain enough AP(day 1 or 2) to get your 5th trait and after that the grind begins for real.

[ls-]

If you have maxed out artefact, you'll get enough AP to purchase traits 36 - 39.

[Deleted]

If your 54 traits in 7.15, you'll have enough AP refunded to give you 4.75 traits in 7.2

You'll get AK26 for "free" by completing a quest, so you'll quickly gain enough AP(day 1 or 2) to get your 5th trait and after that the grind begins for real.

What about characters that do not yet have 25 ak? can they do the quest to start off with ak 26?

[Blownload]

What about characters that do not yet have 25 ak? can they do the quest to start off with ak 26?

You can buy Ranks 1-25 AK for 500 resources each. Once you hit 25, the questline for Rank 26 will be available.

[Deleted]

You can buy Ranks 1-25 AK for 500 resources each. Once you hit 25, the questline for Rank 26 will be available.

any source?

that its not buying until 20 anymore

[Hunterforlife]

As has been said, assuming you have 54 traits which is 65,256,330 AP, you'll get to trait 39.75 initially, 5.5M AP short of trait 40.

After that, the numbers get pretty f'ing ridiculous.

See table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...v-M/edit#gid=0.

The first Concordance trait (which is the rank 52 trait that gives the stat proc) costs 520M AP. Even with the massive scaling of AK at level 50, it will take months to get the first point in Concordance, and no one will probably ever get all 50 ranks of Concordance (101 total ranks), it's just an impossible grind (into the quadrillions of AP) that no one will be able to do before the next xpac is released.

Good vid on the issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXvertvSDQs.

[Blownload]

any source?

that its not buying until 20 anymore

Nothing I can remember from a blue. People who went on the PTR were able to buy 1-25 for 500 resources per rank. That is supposedly going live.

[Uselessrouge]

Nothing I can remember from a blue. People who went on the PTR were able to buy 1-25 for 500 resources per rank. That is supposedly going live.

i hope so a friend just came back to wow and he is AK 16 and its just horror for him to catch up ^^

but could be a PTR only npc :/ hope not

[Deleted]

As i didnt read anything in any patch notes about it its probably just ptr way to help people farm the traits to test them and at a later date 25+ artifact catchup will be added. Hope not also , as my alt will be weeks behind then! well 2 weeks! Not like i have time for alting...

[Raelbo]

but your current amount of AP will not get you very far ahead in the AP race.

To put this into it's correct perspective:

You'll get a refund of approximately 60M AP. As soon as you complete the new questline, your AK will increase such that you'll receive 4x more AP per token, so the effective value of the 60M will decrease by 75%.

So however long it took you to get from 35-54 at max AK, that time divided by 4 will be your head start. However, every 5 days AK will again increase the value of your new AP tokens by 30% and decrease the effective value of your lead by approximately 25% until eventually the value of the lead will have decreased to something pretty small. Below is a table of what your head start will be worth, as a percentage of the time it took you to originally obtain it, as time passes in 7.2

Day 1: 25% (AK26)
Day 6: 19%
Day 11: 15%
Day 16: 11%
Day 21: 8%
Day 26: 6%
Day 31: 4%
Day 36: 3%
Day 41: 3%
Day 46: 2% (AK35)

I stopped here because as AK continues to increase, the original lead becomes negligible.

Putting some practical numbers to this: If it took you a month to get from 34-54, then you'll start 7.2 one week ahead. Two weeks later your lead will be down to 4 days. Two weeks after that your lead will be down to 2 days.

[Alvito]

anyone knows?

Not even close. You could go on wowhead and check yourself, but if you have 50 or higher you will be able to get 4 new things and then have to grind out the rest. If you could instantly get everything that would kinda defeat the point. They also changed it this week making you fill out all traits before you can start the final one. So it will be awhile before most people get that going.

[Raelbo]

The first Concordance trait (which is the rank 52 trait that gives the stat proc) costs 520M AP. Even with the massive scaling of AK at level 50, it will take months to get the first point in Concordance,

At rank 50 you'd be earning 2200 x more AP per token than at present. Therefore 520M would be the equivalent of 235K earned with AK25 (ie in today's terms). This will be trivial to earn once you have maxxed AK.

and no one will probably ever get all 50 ranks of Concordance (101 total ranks), it's just an impossible grind (into the quadrillions of AP) that no one will be able to do before the next xpac is released.

To put some numbers to this:
Every concordance level increases cost by 25%, which means an increase by a factor of approximately 10 every 10 levels. So (in the equivalent of today's terms):
Concordance 10 will cost 2.2M AP
Concordance 20 will cost 22M AP
Concordance 30 will cost 220M AP
Concordance 40 will cost 2200M AP
Concordance 50 will cost 22000M AP

Considering that we achieved 60M AP to get from 34 to 54, I can see most people getting to Concordance 20-30 within a few months of capping out the new AK. Getting to 50 will be nigh impossible though.

[Hunterforlife]

At rank 50 you'd be earning 2200 x more AP per token than at present. Therefore 520M would be the equivalent of 235K earned with AK25 (ie in today's terms). This will be trivial to earn once you have maxxed AK.



To put some numbers to this:
Every concordance level increases cost by 25%, which means an increase by a factor of approximately 10 every 10 levels. So (in the equivalent of today's terms):
Concordance 10 will cost 2.2M AP
Concordance 20 will cost 22M AP
Concordance 30 will cost 220M AP
Concordance 40 will cost 2200M AP
Concordance 50 will cost 22000M AP

Considering that we achieved 60M AP to get from 34 to 54, I can see most people getting to Concordance 20-30 within a few months of capping out the new AK. Getting to 50 will be nigh impossible though.

Per the spreadsheet, you'll get to AK rank 50 on 26 July, so sure, it will be trivial in July (but this is March), until then it will be a pretty steep climb. Sure the increasing AK will help tremendously, but even getting a few points into Concordance will take many months.

In case you missed it, here are the exact numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0.

[Turtel]

According to that spreadsheet provided, each AK level increases your AP gain by 30%, and each trait level increases the cost by 30%. This means each trait take the same amount of time to earn on average and you can pretty much just ignore the numbers and how crazily big they get.

More specifically, you will gain 1 trait per AK level on average, or in other words, you will gain 1 trait every 5 days. This is true regardless of how active you are (as long as you maintain the same level of activity at each AK level). Of course, once AK maxes at level 50, each successive trait will take 30% longer.

It might seem counter intuitive that those who are hardcore grinding AP won't gain traits any faster than casual players (they will of course be at a higher trait level to begin with), but you have to remember that each successive trait get harder and harder to achieve if you gain 1 trait without gaining an AK level. Initially, you might be able to grind out more than 1 trait per AK level, but this is not sustainable: each successive trait will take longer and longer and eventually you will reach a point where you will only be able grind out 1 artifact trait per AK level, or 1 trait every 5 days. The only way to get more than 1 trait per AK level is to continually increase your level of activity by 30% every time you gain a trait, which is obviously unsustainable.

For casual players the reverse is true initially. They may get less than 1 trait per AK level initially, but because of this, the traits will get easier and easier to get for them over time (as their AK level increases). Eventually they will equilibriate to the point where they will also gain 1 trait per AK level. If they become more active, then they will gain more than 1 trait per AK level, but then the traits will get harder and harder to get again, and they will reach a new equilibrium where they gain 1 trait per AK level (or 1 trait every 5 days) again.

Everyone gains 1 trait every 5 days (as long as they maintain the same level of activity).

[Dracodraco]

Per the spreadsheet, you'll get to AK rank 50 on 26 July, so sure, it will be trivial in July (but this is March), until then it will be a pretty steep climb. Sure the increasing AK will help tremendously, but even getting a few points into Concordance will take many months.

In case you missed it, here are the exact numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...sle=true#gid=0.

"many months" is a bit of an overstatement. In one month, you'll be getting AK 32, which means one M+ between 7-9 will be giving approx 5M AP. You need 2163M to go from live, right now, to Concordance 1. That's "only" 400 dungeons in a month - people grinded that for 54, and with the item level rewards being very favorable up until tombs release (base 890 items when Mythic raiding "only" gives base 900), you'll see people start getting close in a months time. In two months, you'll be at AK 38 - at this point, a single M+ between 7-9 gives an average of 43M AP. You'd need to complete only 50 dungeons to reach Concordance from the current level. Suffice to say, if you're serious enough to have 54 traits right now, then you're serious enough that in two months, you WILL have Concordance, given the same activity level.

It's not "many months". It's going to be 4-6 weeks till we see the first Concordance, and in two months, it'll become common and expected amongst Mythic raiding guilds. Come tomb of sargeras (which most people project to release in 2-3 months time), it'll likely be a requirement for Mythic guilds to have.