There are more losses, you just have to play every single class to know them
There are more losses, you just have to play every single class to know them
It's almost like none of you have heard of "the calm before the storm". You're assuming that because things have been going great for the player's and their allies that it will only continue to do so. I'm fairly certain that the capstone for this expansion will be as terrible, if not more so, than the cornerstone.
And we have this driven home to us at the last battle of the Broken Shore intro where Guldan summons all of our old demon foes and rank after rank of elite demons. He taunts is with the fact that the legion is infinite. And then... we kick their ass all over the place. In the 7.2.5 cinematic KJ say "Burn it all to ash..." and ships appear over Dalaran. And then... nothing.
They did a good job setting this up but they've moved from the idea of the Legion being a serious, overwhelming threat to just another invasion. In the meantime, they're dropping plot points and character arcs:
1) Jaina. One of the most powerful mages on Azeroth just sits out a war for our survival?
2) Sylvana and Helya. Yeah we killed Helya, but that deal has no repercussions at all.
3) Wrathion. He saw this coming and tried to rally us to stop it. MIA.
4) Anduin. They seemed to advance his character in 7.2 with him realizing precisely what he was against but... MIA.
There were echoes of Medivh in the new Kara... but nothing.
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7.3 IS the end. We might see something terrible in 7.3.5 aside from the raid, but...
Openings are supposed to set the tone for the expansion.
The tone was set with tragedy, ever since it's been anything but.
Fair points, and I would agree with you on the significance of footnote events if this wasn't WoW. None of these things have lasting value. There were no lessons instilled in them for the most part and everything except for the Broken Shore and the finale will likely be forgotten from the world, with exceptions of specific things like druids grieving for Ysera.
Which is in part, good. But mostly eh. The world went out of World of Warcraft a long time ago, but Legion shows the echoes of trying to bring it back.
I've done the order hall stories you've mentioned, and I did find it interesting but none of this flavour and world re-building seems like it'll get far.
And if the Alliance ever get a quest line to try repopulate and improve the state of Darkshire, if the DK player characters are strung up for their morality issues and so on, I'll gladly eat those words. But hoping for these things, like I've hoped for them to be in every other expansion only leaves me frustrated with the state of writing and leads to things like this thread.
Actually, we do something about those ships. The very first questline before we even begin to establish our base at Deliverance Point is dealing with those ships. We board them, load them up with explosives, and attack Mephistroph who's there commanding the fleet. We beat him, and he flees to the Cathedral where we later kill him. Most of the ships were completely annihilated but Mephistroph's command ship was blown into pieces and crashed into the island. That's why that massive fel lava pool that was there before 7.2 is gone. The demon rare that looks like Baleroc is guarding the remains of it, we have WQs to kill the spirits that were used in its construction that were released when it fell.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
Yes, Gul'dan summoned a lot of demons but he had at least some of the Tomb's power to help him. How many such powerful summoners the Legion have? I don't think much. I'd think they just overdid the start and spent too much on the initial takeover of broken shore, hoping to take us by surprise and left barely any backup plan.
Know how the Alliance felt in Cata and end of MoP.
I was just thinking about their "Kingdoms Will Burn" legion hyping slogan the other day.
Tch...
We understand the Legion pretty well. We've faced them time and time again, we've gone to a Legion corrupted world and beat the tar out of them there. This isn't some new threat or something we've barely seen. This is an ancient foe that we've been dealing with in doses for a long time now.
I see your point and to an extent I agree with it. I have nothing against us kicking ass, specially with a threat we've seen before and have been preparing for. I have issues with how little of the Legion we've actually seen. I don't even feel like I've been fighting the legion for most of this expansion. They haven't even felt like a threat outside of Suramar and Broken Shore.
Ok one zone dedicated to the Nightmare, well done, there's usually a side threat going on in expansions, so all good.
Highmountain had...a tribe that got corrupted...and played a very small part of the zone's story.
Stormheim had...um...the main villain I guess? I mean he was using fel magic and was working for the Legion but really we see so little of his fel powers that I forgot he had sided with the Legion till we faced him at the end of the zone.
Azuna had a single island with demons, which we quickly left behind.
Suramar is where the story of Legion has been at it's best IMO. We see a consistent Legion threat, it has a good story, it progresses great, we had a hard earned victory. It was great. Even if I hate the city from a game play stand point, the story was amazing.
While the weekly quests on Broken shore were terrible, the WQs with the talking heads aren't bad and at least the Legion feels like a threat here.
I would have liked to have seen Highmountain in fel flames, Stormheim having more of a civil war going on or at least show us more Vrykul throwing fel spells around.
Well ,they didn't lost any leader in most ridiculous, anticlimatic and unfitting way(as it's stands against said charact development AND racial lore) did they? It's not like they got robbed from possible development leaving enormous void. It's not like out of nowhere the least fitting faction leader is now in charge. There is no comparision, especially when it was well known that due to game mechanics no faction will be dismantled.
I miss Mists of Pandaria
As for Cata, at that point it looked we lost Magni. He got brought back as neutral now, but we could not see that.
I expected both Sylvanas and Genn to get more screen time but I agree that with Sylvanas it's much wasted potential. I did not play horde side of Stormheim (though I plan to at some time), but I'd like to know why Helya even helped Sylvanas. Why Eyir did not kill her on the spot (she had more than enough reasons). That's not to mention that again and again the Alliance was not allowed to do anything decent and once again our leader (Genn) was beaten while she got out totally unharmed.
Edit: As for those expected to see some screen time, Maiev was also pretty much forgotten. I expected to see something that would show more motivation behind what she did in Wolfheart and what she might be up to, but for now all she is up to is bitching about Illidan.
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Well I am not one of those players that scream "muh faction!". I saw faults in Alliance storytelling and I'm glad some of their leaders came back to life and try to do something -it's about time. But at the same time Horde seems to be non existant, the other races don't seem to have any development aswell. Not to mention third party defenders.
Sylvanas and Genn could still have thier skimrish in Stormheim, it didn't required to promote Sylvanas to Warchief. And not this title is turned into a joke.
I miss Mists of Pandaria
Stormheim was a bit of a trainwreck in general. The finale cinematic left more questions that it answered.
With some things, you can sort of intuit an answer (e.g. maybe Eyir was weakened by Helya's lantern, or she was scared of provoking what she would presume is an agent of Helya in case she had more tricks and she owed Greymane little so she just decided getting the fug out was the best option).
And then there's Sylvanas squeezing her bow while Greymane walks away, shirtless with his back turned to her. In what world does she not just put an arrow through his heart, neck, skull or all three at once? It was just so grating to watch.
It should have been a phyrric victory with half the Azeroth scorched and much more territorial changes and tragedy.
But since players enjoy being told how heroic they are and cry when old zones change Blizz had to dumb down Legion to being one liner threat yelling army of morons.
That's all consequence of players becoming actual lore characters which should have never happened.
Uh... "We might see something terrible in 7.3.5 ..."
But we're not getting a 7.4 unless they're hiding that and in general raid patches haven't incorporated a lot of new, non-raid content. So I expect 7.3.5 to be the Antorus raid and, hopefully, some cleanup world content that shows us the aftermath of the end of the raid. I'd love a 7.4 with more of that aftermath content but I don't expect it.
I expect 7.3.0 to drop ~early September with the 7.3.5 raid patch ~ 3 months later, i.e. ~early December then nothing until 8.0 in about 12 months from now.
Yeah sure. Every time I have to go and kill a bunch of bears and poor hippogryphs or elsewise my garrison will promptly grind to a screeching halt due to lack of resources all the hundreds of my followers time and again prove too incompetent to obtain themselves, I totally feel like The Hero Of Azeroth.
Now for me that would be an instant unsub.
Even less convincing to escalate faction conflict in such circumstances, we already had that back in Cata and the idiocy was palpable.
Too bad it would no longer be WoW then, rather an explicit D3 MMO with WoW's joyful and cartoony skins.
I don't really think so, unless laughable resourcing of WoD and dissatisfying resourcing of Legion is caused by huge effort on plausible We Lose xpac. Which I'm quite sure it isn't.
Funny how I just happen to recall a period before xpac launch when I scrambled to fight off Legion invasions in Westfall, Ashara and a couple other places quite evenly distributed over the face of Azeroth. I powerlevelled several toons that way.
...and it did have very different storytelling techinques. By the time you reached the back gates of ICC, you knew exactly who was Arthas and why you need to pwn him even if WotLK was the first time you ever 1) touched an MMO and 2) touched a Blizzard game. Ain't gonna happen again though, the minds who made WotLK are long gone from Bliz, either by physically leaving the company or by transforming into Retardalons.
I do loathe the pandas, since as videogame NPCs they ARE what they are portrayed as: lazy fat beer drinkers with some really cheesy pseudowisdom.
I don't really expect a story from Blizzard any more. Just give me engaging gameplay and leave at least some of the toons I like so much uncorrupted and we're good.