M Antorus ilvl960, but players are ilvl953+ already

[Deleted]

Actually player power will greatly increase in the week before Antorus Mythic:

1. 2 ilvl 970 legendaries become 1000
2. Some players will RNG ilvl 1000 trinket off Argus the Unmaker
3. Ilvl 960 loot will be available in the weekly chest for completing a Mythic +15 in the Antorus week
4. New set bonuses
5. A lot of titanforges

I think its standard already that the first 3 bosses will die like flies, and most likely Argus the Unmaker is tuned for more ilvl than he drops(and he drops 970 i think).

[Vakna]

He is 953 yes but the average mythic raider is already over 940 and most 945 if you aren't forced to wear 2 set t19.... Pretty Much when next tier comes out heroic gear 945 is a sidegrade for any mythic raider... The gap in ilvl isn't high enough thx to titanforging.

We need atleast 20 ilvl between normal/heroic/mythic rather than 15.

What are you talking about, the gap in ilvl is fine since the next raid will also titanforge..

Are you forgetting that the exact same thing happened last tier and top end mythic raiders still struggled to meet the gear checks of the end bosses? Literally nothing has changed in regards to gear to boss difficulty ratios.

People just see numbers, take them out of context and then complain about them for reasons I can't fathom.

Also, as a side note, heroic isn't supposed to contain full direct upgrades for Mythic raiders. It has always been intended that you move from one raid to the next on the same difficulty for gear upgrades.

[Swizzle]

How can I have been the case for several years when this is the first year with titanforging?

It came out with Throne of Thunder.

[Deleted]

Guys it's a styil thread.... what did you expect?

[Moshots]

What are you talking about, the gap in ilvl is fine since the next raid will also titanforge..

Are you forgetting that the exact same thing happened last tier and top end mythic raiders still struggled to meet the gear checks of the end bosses? Literally nothing has changed in regards to gear to boss difficulty ratios.

People just see numbers, take them out of context and then complain about them for reasons I can't fathom.

Also, as a side note, heroic isn't supposed to contain full direct upgrades for Mythic raiders. It has always been intended that you move from one raid to the next on the same difficulty for gear upgrades.

On 2 bosses that blizzard themselves said were overtuned..... Thats not the intention the problem is if they tune a boss right now... With titanforging method/exrosus would clear in 6 hours and every MMO champion thread would be wow what a undertuned tier... If titanforging stays without a cap we need 20 ilvl between levels to even it out... Otherwise cap Titanforging at +10. Because having to go back and do Nighthold every week for 2 piece t19 got really old this tier.

[Emerald Archer]

The bigger issue here is how they've only just killed Maiden around 6 days ago at this point, with an average ilvl of 942+

Makes me hate my luck, i'm 9/9M and only 933. WTB Titanforge!

[Gorsameth]

It came out with Throne of Thunder.

+5 ilvl is not enough to gear people in mythic items before mythic opens which is what was claimed to be going on for 'years'.

That is new with Legion.

[durrtygoodz]

You can't claim that "players" (plural) are over 953, with your evidence being the highest ilvl warlock in the world, who isn't even 953.

You're exaggerating reality to make your weak point stand up. I have pretty decent gear but I don't think I have anything that won't be upgraded by 960 Antorus items, apart from probably 2 set.

[Deleted]

I mean the bigger problem is this guy is 953 and doesn't do that much m+ and hasn't cleared Tomb on Mythic even once.

He can't even compete with the best destro locks which have 8 less ilvl lel.

[Magistrate]

https://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/kazzak/Zytonah

I think that sums it up really. Part of the excitement of a new raid tier is seeing new, powerful loot that is much stronger, but people are going into this new raid with almost a full set of appropriate Mythic level gear from that raid. Sure they've gotten +2 item levels from their legendaries (ilvl970-955 x2) but the story remains the same. How is it in any way exciting to only receive a 5 item level upgrade from a new raid for most of your gear and have to rely on Titanforging to gear up as opposed to it being a nice rare bonus?

Same story for many players for their approriate raid difficulty. I think all Antorus loot needs to be buffed by another 5-10 item levels baseline, otherwise I fear that the raiding participation could plummet much lower than it did in ToS which is not healthy for anyone in the raiding community. Titanforging has had too strong of a stranglehold on loot this expansion.

And 953 is way over the necessary ilvl for current content, which means that Antorus peeps will be looking at an equally disproportionately powerful ilvl once they run it a bit.

[TheFirstOnes]

There is no Balance, nor Fun.

There is only PWAH!