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    Anivia is a boss. I knew froggen would agree. (if you don't know, he's rather famous for his anivia)

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    Thanks for your info guys,picked up Gragas afterall when I realised I didn't own him yet ^^Will prob get Anivia aswell as she is on sale atm.

    What about Galio btw?He happens to be on sale too and thinking of buying him aswell...:P

    Edit:Oh and I am aware of Froggen,seen him doing amazing stuff with Anivia and that's a serious factor on why I am interested on this champ to be firmly honest.

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    Gargas is a great choice for mid in my opinion,
    now to my question I am thinking of picking up Hecarim I know he is a viable jungler but Im interested if attack speed runes are effective on him and how fun is he in general.My favourite jungler is currently Skarner and some people say that the play styles are similar is that true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMayor View Post
    Gargas is a great choice for mid in my opinion,
    now to my question I am thinking of picking up Hecarim I know he is a viable jungler but Im interested if attack speed runes are effective on him and how fun is he in general.My favourite jungler is currently Skarner and some people say that the play styles are similar is that true?
    Similar clear wise, not so much gank and initiation wise. I've been running ArmPen on Hecarim lately and he just tears through people. When he came out I ran AS, but after watching Stonewalls latest team battle Hecarim and switching over, I can say from experience that ArmPen is better.

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    I will just tell you guys that Rumble is worth it if you are a top player. Very hard to play initially, in fact it's really not easy to learn him or his ultimate in your first few games but give it 20+ games and he is so good in the top lane.

    Also a great 3v3 champion too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMayor View Post
    Gargas is a great choice for mid in my opinion,
    now to my question I am thinking of picking up Hecarim I know he is a viable jungler but Im interested if attack speed runes are effective on him and how fun is he in general.My favourite jungler is currently Skarner and some people say that the play styles are similar is that true?
    Hecarim's playstyle is nothing like Skarner. His game progress style is similar to Skarner. Just like Skarner, he is weak early games but scales very well with levels and . Hecarim is extremely fun and provides a lot CC and damage. I donno about AS runes, never played him that much, so can't give an honest opinion.
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    After playing Annie relgiously for how many levels, i seem to have forgotten to play outside that playstyle. I'm still kinda new but when i was learning, i did ok with the free champions, nowadays i try a free champion and feel so lost. Are there any champions that play like annie? I seem to do ok with lux, probably gonna try her out more this week since shes free.

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    Somebody needs to buy galio and then purchase his Commando skin.
    It is the funniest skin in-game and I have yet to see anybody with it.

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    So I just hit 20 and bought full AP / Magic Penetration Tier 3 runes because my best toons are Morgana, Soraka, and Malzhar. But I also like to try new summoners pretty frequently (and I'm addicted to buying them) - are there any good AP melee toons I could play with? (I can't find one) Or do I need to buy a whole new set of AD runes for like 10k IP to play melee toons effectively?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkillOverKill View Post
    So I just hit 20 and bought full AP / Magic Penetration Tier 3 runes because my best toons are Morgana, Soraka, and Malzhar. But I also like to try new summoners pretty frequently (and I'm addicted to buying them) - are there any good AP melee toons I could play with? (I can't find one) Or do I need to buy a whole new set of AD runes for like 10k IP to play melee toons effectively?
    For AP melee, I think Diana is your best bet. Rumble is a close range mage, and Malphite can be built ap, but I think you are looking at diana. Or fizz, he is also an ap melee assassin. Or for that matter, katarina and akali too. Though I think Diana is the most meleey of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkillOverKill View Post
    So I just hit 20 and bought full AP / Magic Penetration Tier 3 runes because my best toons are Morgana, Soraka, and Malzhar. But I also like to try new summoners pretty frequently (and I'm addicted to buying them) - are there any good AP melee toons I could play with? (I can't find one) Or do I need to buy a whole new set of AD runes for like 10k IP to play melee toons effectively?
    Rumble, Katarina, and Diana are all good right now for melee AP characters. However, unless your laning as Diana, they all use pages which differ slightly from the standard AP page. Rumble and Kat do not use mana, so you will need new seals. For Rumble I use Armor and Kat I use AP/lvl. Since Rumble is more of a tanky mage, I run MR/lvl glyphs on him. Diana can use a standard AP page, but that's only in lane. In the jungle I use AS reds and Armor seals.

    Galio can be played as full AP and still do well, though he is more of a niche pick that builds MR to counter AP heavy teams.
    Evelynn can be built full AP, but she is still weak right now.
    Kassadin is melee AP, but he is always banned in Draft and ranked.
    Gragas is a strong Melee AP whole is becoming more popular with his use in recent tournaments.
    AP Yi if you feel like playing a useless gimick.
    AP Warwick is pretty good as well, though he is built more bruiser than full AP.
    Fizz, crazy AP assassin.

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    So Maokai just took a cut to his IP cost. I have just enough to pick him up. I've played him during free weeks and I like him -- but I've always played him as AP or a tank. People tell me he's supposed to be in the jungle. Am I completely missing the point of the character? I know AP is kind of lulzy -- I was just enjoying pitching saplings at people.

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    Thanks for the info both of you

    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    Rumble, Katarina, and Diana are all good right now for melee AP characters. However, unless your laning as Diana, they all use pages which differ slightly from the standard AP page. Rumble and Kat do not use mana, so you will need new seals. For Rumble I use Armor and Kat I use AP/lvl. Since Rumble is more of a tanky mage, I run MR/lvl glyphs on him. Diana can use a standard AP page, but that's only in lane. In the jungle I use AS reds and Armor seals.

    Galio can be played as full AP and still do well, though he is more of a niche pick that builds MR to counter AP heavy teams.
    Evelynn can be built full AP, but she is still weak right now.
    Kassadin is melee AP, but he is always banned in Draft and ranked.
    Gragas is a strong Melee AP whole is becoming more popular with his use in recent tournaments.
    AP Yi if you feel like playing a useless gimick.
    AP Warwick is pretty good as well, though he is built more bruiser than full AP.
    Fizz, crazy AP assassin.

    I don't have any mana runes in my build, just straight AP and Magic Penetration - so I should be fine for Katarina (which is what I think I'm going to go with).

    Evelynn is actually one of my favourite heroes (but yes she's still a little underpowered) - but since the redesign like 2 of her abilities don't scale AP and the other two scale equally with AD or AP - but of course stacking AD helps her melee damage as well (and her steroid is now Attack Speed) - so I've been AD building Evelynn since the redesign everytime, I don't really consider her AP capable anymore - which is a shame

    I looked up guides for Katarina though and she seems like exactly what I'm looking for

    (Alternately Akali seems cool too)
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    Apparently AP Eve mid works well enough that people can still hit plat playing nothing but her. She just takes more effort than traditional mages.

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    And yes, Maokai is supposed to be in the jungle. Or botlane if you're doing Dominion. He has great ganks and good harass and can screw Shaco over no end.

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    I had a Maokai solo top yesterday who did surprisingly well against .. DARIUSSSSSSS.

    Another game I had a rengar Solo top who had about 3 kill on Darius in less then 10 minutes, was 3 levels higher at some point and still managed to lose lane and letDarius steamroll our team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkillOverKill View Post
    I looked up guides for Katarina though and she seems like exactly what I'm looking for

    (Alternately Akali seems cool too)
    I almost put Akali up there, but she is played hybrid and needs her own rune page. AD marks, Armor or hp/lvl seals (I use hp/lvl), AP/lvl glyphs, flat AP quints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    I had a Maokai solo top yesterday who did surprisingly well against .. DARIUSSSSSSS.

    Another game I had a rengar Solo top who had about 3 kill on Darius in less then 10 minutes, was 3 levels higher at some point and still managed to lose lane and letDarius steamroll our team.
    I've seen so many ban Darius players this week. It's really sad.

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    If you dont have any of the following for these roles I recommend them:

    Top: Jayce (Good against most tops and a hell of a lot of fun to play)
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    Jungle: Maokai (HE IS THE JUNGLE)
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    Support: Sona (Such a chilled out champion with suprising burst and epic team fight carrying ulti)
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    Sona is definitely my top support to pair with any ADC, Nunu being my go-to when I have a Kog/Vayne.

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    I love nunu, especially when I play vayne. Blood boil is just soo good. We had ours in the jungle, rather than in the lane so I really only got the buff in team fights or in ganks, but it still helps so much.

    Though, I had some ridiculing my build on vayne (though I went 15-2-x ) so I'm not too worried about my build, but I want some other opinions. First off the lanes were taric/cait v janna/vayne.

    Went boots x3, into double dorans, zerker greaves, vamp scepter on the first recall, then Black Cleaver, then PD. After that we were kind of ahead so I knew I wasn't going to have time to stack a BT so I picked up Executioners calling. Then IE, then I was going for GA but we finished before I had a chance to finish it.

    so, boots x3 > dorans x2 > zerker greaves > vamp scepter > BC > PD > Executioner's calling > IE > GA

    so what do you guys think? Combined with nunu and janna, this kind of made me a monster in the mid game. Gobs of AS and a huge AD steroid when I hit my ult and received the shield. To me, it seems to be one of the cheapest ways to maximize vayne's damage in the mid game. The Exc is gonna fall off because it doesn't give you and AD compared to a bloodthirster, but for 1350g it is so, so good for the stats it gives you.

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    150 gives you better stats and once you pop more than 2 wards, better value for your money.

    EC is very situational, but pretty much never on an AD carry. It can shut down some high sustain lanes on top.

    Even BC is a toss up already. Might be a good buy, might end up biting you in the rear.

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