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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverkit View Post
    Hello,

    I just hit level 15 and havent done any PvP games been a bit scared, but since my IP is now capped at level 15 in bot games my bf who is also level 15 and I are going to try some PvP later. I was looking for a new hero and Karma caught my eye. I like to play ranged support, Lux has been fun but I dont want to buy her. I bought Sona awhile back and have a blast with her too. My bf bought Urgot and loves him(I think he's a bit weird looking lol), but my question is, Is Karma a good champ?

    I dont mind a learning curve, as the site says she is high difficulty. On another site i saw Karma(and Urgot...) were both really low on popularity is there a reason for this? Is she bad or just hard to learn? Also if it matters I'd probably never be playing alone, I'd be on skype with bf to help coordinate things. We're just looking to have some fun in LoL and Karma seems really neat to me but I dont want to buy a champ that is just plain bad. I would do some bot games to get a feel for her before jumping into PvP. Thanks for any help!
    Karma's problem is that she requires more farm than most of the other supports. In that sense she's a bit more like Lux or Morgana. Both of those are marked as support, but people play them in mid. She is surprisingly strong when she does get the farm.

    Urgot isn't played much because of his looks. He was really strong but they nerfed him quite a bit. He's still going to stomp most bot lanes if they don't know how to handle him.

    Soraka is a nice support for Urgot, because she can feed him more mana for endless harass. Janna for double shields.

    In all honesty though, if you want to try Karma, go ahead. It's not like you'll be jumping into ranked games right away anyway.

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    What are really nice 'burst' AP's?

    I currently play a lot of Viktor, and he just rapes even when he is underfed. Is Malzahar something like that? Had him mid yesterday and well, his damage seemed nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    What are really nice 'burst' AP's?

    I currently play a lot of Viktor, and he just rapes even when he is underfed. Is Malzahar something like that? Had him mid yesterday and well, his damage seemed nice.
    I think Viktor is incredibly underrated, he is actually insanely powerful, his ulti can win you team fights if used in the right places since it silences everyone on hit, plus being able to control it to follow people. Malzahar I have never played but since his pool does % damage with that stun he has makes him a brilliant burst champion.
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    Yeah, i've seen one other Viktor once, and hate to say it, but he was bad. Too bad so little people play him, but i guess it's cause he has to be in the front to have max burst.

    I think Malzahar can be fun, and his silence / dot / ult can pretty much say 'hey, get that guy' i guess.

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    Malz and burst? His only direct damage is his silence. All the rest is time based. Only his insta kill combo could be considered burst, and that's relatively easy to counter. Burst is Annie or Morde or Cass or Eve .. You know, champs who get you from 100% to 0% in about 1.5 seconds?

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    I haven't played Annie yet. But seeing how she is free this week; why not. Problem with Annie's burst is that you can see it coming when she hits 6.

    As far as i know, Morde is a lot of farm isn't he? To be effective that is.

    I don't know about Cass, but i won my lane against her. When her poison hits, be ready to feel the pain.

    How is Eve in team fights? Isn't she kinda too squishy / countered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    What are really nice 'burst' AP's?

    I currently play a lot of Viktor, and he just rapes even when he is underfed. Is Malzahar something like that? Had him mid yesterday and well, his damage seemed nice.

    LeBlanc
    Annie
    Brand
    Gragas
    Lux
    Morde
    Veigar
    Ziggs

    Cass is really more sustained damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    I haven't played Annie yet. But seeing how she is free this week; why not. Problem with Annie's burst is that you can see it coming when she hits 6.

    As far as i know, Morde is a lot of farm isn't he? To be effective that is.

    I don't know about Cass, but i won my lane against her. When her poison hits, be ready to feel the pain.

    How is Eve in team fights? Isn't she kinda too squishy / countered?
    Morde is probably oen of the easiest farmers in-game though. E + Q = dead minion wave, constantly kill your wraiths and possible enemy wraiths too. Once you got DFG and some AP you literally 3 shot their carry and end up with a ghost.

    Eve depends on which Eve you play. AP mid Eve is really about getting in, 2 shotting their carry and hope you get out alive. Deciding when to go in, who to nuke and how to get out is quite key to playing her. Just running in, smashing buttons doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    Yeah, i've seen one other Viktor once, and hate to say it, but he was bad. Too bad so little people play him, but i guess it's cause he has to be in the front to have max burst.

    I think Malzahar can be fun, and his silence / dot / ult can pretty much say 'hey, get that guy' i guess.

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    I had a phase when Viktor was my favourite AP mid, that was until I stopped playing mid, I would give anyone a good game in mid as Viktor. (Not trying to be big headed, he just has a good skill set)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    What are really nice 'burst' AP's?

    I currently play a lot of Viktor, and he just rapes even when he is underfed. Is Malzahar something like that? Had him mid yesterday and well, his damage seemed nice.
    I play Malzahar a lot, he is very underrated. He is a great farmer with his E at rank 3-4, and his W + R combo is extremely scary if you catch people off guard, Saved me quite a lot when people tryed diving me too, Supressed under a turret at lvl 7? Dead.

    On top of that, he is very strong in team fights since he can force the enemy team to split up with his Q and W.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj392 View Post
    What are really nice 'burst' AP's?

    I currently play a lot of Viktor, and he just rapes even when he is underfed. Is Malzahar something like that? Had him mid yesterday and well, his damage seemed nice.
    Yeah, Malzahar most certainly not a burst AP, but he is really fun to play. Your full combo is pretty much death unless they have cleanse or a QSS. Thankfully, most games no one has either, so he can do very well. When I play Malz I'll farm and push with his E, then go gank other lanes. As long as you ult someone the gank will be successful, you just have to worry about counter ganks since his ult roots him in place as well.

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    Good thing we will be able to throw infected minions away and stop that lame one-button clear and cripple that cripple :d.

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    Just started playing week or so ago, and got yorick ( love it ) and looking for a 'forgiving jungler to try, what to pick D:?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
    Eve depends on which Eve you play. AP mid Eve is really about getting in, 2 shotting their carry and hope you get out alive. Deciding when to go in, who to nuke and how to get out is quite key to playing her. Just running in, smashing buttons doesn't work.
    Just finished a game as AP Eve (finally could pick mid after 3 games...) Just like you said; Get in, hope you don't get killed and get out.
    But damn, when you can gank succesfull, you can do it good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binge View Post
    Just started playing week or so ago, and got yorick ( love it ) and looking for a 'forgiving jungler to try, what to pick D:?
    Lee sin for actually jungling. He's pretty durable, and his ganks are awesome. Though he relies on a good early game to do well later.

    Shyvana is a good mention too since she becomes very tanky and has the second fastest clear speed. (Mundo being the first, though he is not very forgiving)

    Nunu has an easy jungle, but you have to know what to do on nunu. If you just farm your jungle and gank occasionally you are doing it wrong with him. He has the potential to completely screw over the other jungler, so it should be exploited. A well played jungle nunu is a nightmare to jungle against.

    Mundo, Cho'gath and jarvan are all free this week if you want to give them a try. Mundo and Jarvan are harder junglers I would say, but cho'gath has awesome sustain, and transitions into late game very well. I would recommend him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isrozzis View Post
    Lee sin for actually jungling. He's pretty durable, and his ganks are awesome. Though he relies on a good early game to do well later.

    Shyvana is a good mention too since she becomes very tanky and has the second fastest clear speed. (Mundo being the first, though he is not very forgiving)

    Nunu has an easy jungle, but you have to know what to do on nunu. If you just farm your jungle and gank occasionally you are doing it wrong with him. He has the potential to completely screw over the other jungler, so it should be exploited. A well played jungle nunu is a nightmare to jungle against.

    Mundo, Cho'gath and jarvan are all free this week if you want to give them a try. Mundo and Jarvan are harder junglers I would say, but cho'gath has awesome sustain, and transitions into late game very well. I would recommend him too.
    shame, i like the way mundo plays but as i think id find jungleing hard.. mundo axe miss and they away, been trying to harass people with axes but not doing so well with him compared to yorick ^^

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    Then jungle as Yorick?

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    Thank you for all the replies about Karma. I went ahead and bought her, played a few co-op vs AI games with her. 3rd game someone made a comment about me being Karma like I was warned about, but i find her fun. I'm getting the hang of her she feels neat but I still have some learning to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binge View Post
    Just started playing week or so ago, and got yorick ( love it ) and looking for a 'forgiving jungler to try, what to pick D:?
    Forgiving junglers, in my opinion, are those with the fastest clear times...gives you more time to set up ganks without getting behind the enemy jungler.

    I would say try Mundo this week (he's free).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    Forgiving junglers, in my opinion, are those with the fastest clear times...gives you more time to set up ganks without getting behind the enemy jungler.

    I would say try Mundo this week (he's free).

    Bough mundo today, having a blast with him lol, do runes play a big part of jungleing?, when i tell people it will be my first time they say not to lol Xd

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