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    Urgot now or save up for Vayne? I have been playing AD carry a lot recently and want something fresh, but I am worried about Urgot lategame. I know his ult is amazing for dooming a carry at the start of a teamfight, but his damage seems to plummet late game and having a good late game is what an AD carry is all about. When I played Vayne during her free week I liked her, but she seems to be stomped during laning, but she usually picks up once the teamfights start and was pretty fun, not just your standard right click to win AD carry.
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    having a good late game is what Urgot is all about


    No, not particularly. It's about completely destroying the AD carry you're up against. You're essentially a ranged AD caster (read: Bruiser), rather than an AD carry. That's okay because the opposing team likely won't have an AD carry either, but they won't even have a Bruiser in its place.

    If you want something fresh, he's a good pick. Vayne - despite her advantages and slightly different playstyle - essentially remains a regular AD carry. Don't get hit, kill stuff in a few seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    No, not particularly. It's about completely destroying the AD carry you're up against. You're essentially a ranged AD caster (read: Bruiser), rather than an AD carry. That's okay because the opposing team likely won't have an AD carry either, but they won't even have a Bruiser in its place.

    If you want something fresh, he's a good pick. Vayne - despite her advantages and slightly different playstyle - essentially remains a regular AD carry. Don't get hit, kill stuff in a few seconds.[/FONT]
    Sorry had a typo there; "...having a good late game is what an AD carry is all about." is what I meant. Thanks for your input, I'm leaning towards Urgot but will wait until after the maintenance to decide. (Damn you Riot).

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    I'm looking forward to trying Vayne again after her upcoming buff. It's minute, but I hope it returns some of the feel she had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    I'm looking forward to trying Vayne again after her upcoming buff. It's minute, but I hope it returns some of the feel she had.
    It won't. Her problems won't be solved by 5 move speed.

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    Oh I know that. But from a fast, maneuverable, killing unit she went to a snail's pace.That really killed the fun for me. Her having a rough lane is 'fine'. It's the price she pays for having an insane late game. But for a Hunter, you know... she's supposed to be able to actually hunt things and as it currently stands, even Sivir does a better job of it.

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    Vayne is currently as fast as ashe excluding her passive, yeah some huntress.

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    Well, I typed up a huge post, but then I got a server is at capacity thing when I went to post it.

    Short version: Urgot doesn't have the late game scaling that Vayne has. He has a really good ult, but it's kind of situational, and his late game damage is rather meh usually.

    Vayne is the definition of a hypercarry, and her late game damage is I think the highest in the game. Maybe Kog gets close, but idk. You pick vayne for her late game. If you don't have a team that can protect you well, don't use her since she needs the protection.

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    What to buy what to buy what to BUY?! Volibear vs Jayce... Volibear is just a simple tank... With massive burst... Jayce is way more versatile... Any champion that requires some after though, is hard to play, but wrecks when positioned right! Anything with a slight management of a resource! or skill swap. Jayce, Syndra, shyvana... Any tips? I can play any role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isrozzis View Post
    Well, I typed up a huge post, but then I got a server is at capacity thing when I went to post it.

    Short version: Urgot doesn't have the late game scaling that Vayne has. He has a really good ult, but it's kind of situational, and his late game damage is rather meh usually.

    Vayne is the definition of a hypercarry, and her late game damage is I think the highest in the game. Maybe Kog gets close, but idk. You pick vayne for her late game. If you don't have a team that can protect you well, don't use her since she needs the protection.
    Kog or Trist have better late-games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnoms View Post
    What to buy what to buy what to BUY?! Volibear vs Jayce... Volibear is just a simple tank... With massive burst... Jayce is way more versatile... Any champion that requires some after though, is hard to play, but wrecks when positioned right! Anything with a slight management of a resource! or skill swap. Jayce, Syndra, shyvana... Any tips? I can play any role.
    Jayce is really good, probablly OP. Much better and more fun to play than volibear. I highly recommend him, he wrecks top lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurdiern View Post
    Kog or Trist have better late-games.
    They certainly have better range, which makes them much safer, but Trist can shred tanks the way that vayne can, and kog's tank destroying ability can be mitigated heavily. Tristana is certainly much safer than Vayne though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isrozzis View Post
    They certainly have better range, which makes them much safer, but Trist can shred tanks the way that vayne can, and kog's tank destroying ability can be mitigated heavily. Tristana is certainly much safer than Vayne though.
    Terms of damage? Vayne might be better. Just saying in general late game? They're much better. Just as high reward for much lower risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnoms View Post
    What to buy what to buy what to BUY?! Volibear vs Jayce... Volibear is just a simple tank... With massive burst... Jayce is way more versatile... Any champion that requires some after though, is hard to play, but wrecks when positioned right! Anything with a slight management of a resource! or skill swap. Jayce, Syndra, shyvana... Any tips? I can play any role.
    Jayce. One million times Jayce. He is getting a mana nerf next patch, but he is still awesome and still wrecks, you just can't spam Q as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurdiern View Post
    Terms of damage? Vayne might be better. Just saying in general late game? They're much better. Just as high reward for much lower risk.
    I'm going in terms of damage. In the post that got eaten, I was saying that she has the highest potential damage pretty much. Doesn't mean she is the best, but there isn't really anyone that outdamages her. And I do agree that Trist and Kog are safer, and are a lot less risky, but Vayne is way more fun imo.

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    Out of those 3, Kog is always my pick.

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    Tried out Riven over on my smurf account (it is only lvl 2) God is she fun to play definitely going to make her my next pick-up
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovecraft View Post
    Tried out Riven over on my smurf account (it is only lvl 2) God is she fun to play definitely going to make her my next pick-up
    SAME picking her up ASAP but she is 6300

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    Thread been dead for a while, reviving it now. Thinking of saving my IP and get Anivia, what do you guys think about that bird?
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    Thread been dead for a while, reviving it now. Thinking of saving my IP and get Anivia, what do you guys think about that bird?
    Landing walls in the right place is something that will take many games to get right. The rest of her kit is relatively straightforward. She's good, but by no means easy, don't give up after the first couple of games with her.

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