1. #2521
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    It is something mainly morals, some people ninja loot items in wow in LFG since it has no punish, I never did that any day
    Me neither, I fail to see how that's relevant though.

    A more accurate comparison would be going into LFD dungeons with 308 gear when it requires 320 while your 360 tanking set is in the bag. Even then, I still do not see it because I can't remember a single time where I was the reason my team lost, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    Me neither, I fail to see how that's relevant though.

    A more accurate comparison would be going into LFD dungeons with 308 gear when it requires 320 while your 360 tanking set is in the bag. Even then, I still do not see it because I can't remember a single time where I was the reason my team lost, ever.
    I second this. If better gear in WoW is equal to more skill/experience in LoL, then in both cases, you will gain more from playing a higher difficulty. I do understand the fear though, Blizzard enforced such requirement mainly to prevent frustration from playing with people that are "undergeared". Reflecting that on LoL, yes, you could end up with people that haven't experienced all aspects of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    I really don't understand the basis of this. "Don't play because you'll get counterpicked."
    So what?
    Re-read what you are replying for maybe? Actually more like "don't play because you will counterpick yourself". I can't count how many times I've seen people picking i.e. Karth AFTER enemy picked Talon and then say "stfu, i only play kartus".
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post

    Unless you're jungling (and even that, loljunglenerf), the only runes which are clearly noticeable would be MP5. I mean if you're going to stomp someone, you're gonna stomp them hard because you're good at the game...right?
    Very, very, very very wrong. How about instead of assuming that the enemy laner is terrible and you will stomp him regardless let's go with "enemy laner is equally skilled, but has runes so you're fucked."?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    Okay, so he's inexperienced... so are seemingly 90% of the people I play with/against in ranked. He'll be fine.
    That's where that famous elo hell comes from. Bad players starting ranked the moment they can click on it. Just because 90% of low elo has made this error does not mean everyone should.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    I donno about you but I can't think of many times when this would matter if you're just starting out.
    I can. Every single of those games you had where everything just fell apart the moment team fights started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Re-read what you are replying for maybe? Actually more like "don't play because you will counterpick yourself". I can't count how many times I've seen people picking i.e. Karth AFTER enemy picked Talon and then say "stfu, i only play kartus".
    Yeah, you'll have to fight uphill, big dealio.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Very, very, very very wrong. How about instead of assuming that the enemy laner is terrible and you will stomp him regardless let's go with "enemy laner is equally skilled, but has runes so you're fucked."?
    Mostly because the people you start out fighting in ranked are awful. It's very unlikely you'll fight people of your own skill level the moment you start out if you're generally good at games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That's where that famous elo hell comes from. Bad players starting ranked the moment they can click on it. Just because 90% of low elo has made this error does not mean everyone should.
    Elo hell, huh.
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I can. Every single of those games you had where everything just fell apart the moment team fights started.
    99% of the time, teamfights fall apart when you're ahead because they're 4v5, you'd have to be ridiculously closely matched for it to matter, which doesn't happen when you start out unless you're flatout bad.

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    1) There is Elo hell, it is insanely famous
    2) Many games I played dominate lane phase but lose team fights, simple example is top lane Garon/Darius, who have very strong early game but start to fall mid-late game, where lane phase end and team fights start, Yorick is another example of very good laning bad team fight unless another player - the AD carry - farmed well, Heimer is very good laning phase joke in team fights
    3) I didn't talk or mean the gear at all in LFG from wow, I meant I don't ninja items in LFG, main reason I don't test weird builds like AD lux in LoL games, if I want to test something I go AI game, I have over 300ai game I always try a champion in AI game first and even few games until I set on his best runes/items, I don't test him in game where I may ruin 4 other people's time because I'm selfish bastard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    Yeah, you'll have to fight uphill, big dealio.
    When you counterpick yourself you lose the lane for your team before the game even started, possibly causing your entire team to lose by being inflexible and bad. If you see nothing wrong with that I've nothing else to say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    Mostly because the people you start out fighting in ranked are awful. It's very unlikely you'll fight people of your own skill level the moment you start out if you're generally good at games.
    Not really. That's called bias, you see yourself as far better than you actually are and the opposite for others. If you start the game with assumption "Well, I have AD runes on Karthus but whatever, I'm better than him so I'll win" YOU WILL LOSE... unless unbelievably lucky.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    Elo hell, huh.
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good one.
    You're good at being a smartass. If only you were as good at coherent replies...

    If by elo hell you understand "low elo filled with terrible players" it exists. It's just that everyone there belongs in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    99% of the time, teamfights fall apart when you're ahead because they're 4v5, you'd have to be ridiculously closely matched for it to matter, which doesn't happen when you start out unless you're flatout bad.
    That's simply wrong. All those times when you won the lanes but lost the teamfights? Yep, that's the bad team composition showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    When you counterpick yourself you lose the lane for your team before the game even started, possibly causing your entire team to lose by being inflexible and bad. If you see nothing wrong with that I've nothing else to say.
    Not necessarily, bad players can be outplayed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not really. That's called bias, you see yourself as far better than you actually are and the opposite for others. If you start the game with assumption "Well, I have AD runes on Karthus but whatever, I'm better than him so I'll win" YOU WILL LOSE... unless unbelievably lucky.
    You can call it bias or arrogance or whatever you want but if you don't want to believe that I'm far better than the people I play against then that's cool with me, it's not like your opinion changes the facts of the situation.
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    You're good at being a smartass. If only you were as good at coherent replies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That's simply wrong. All those times when you won the lanes but lost the teamfights? Yep, that's the bad team composition showing.
    Unless you're doing something wildly wrong like 3 AD carry team, winning the lane means winning the teamfight unless the game is close which, as I said, never happens in lowskill games.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    3) I didn't talk or mean the gear at all in LFG from wow, I meant I don't ninja items in LFG, main reason I don't test weird builds like AD lux in LoL games, if I want to test something I go AI game, I have over 300ai game I always try a champion in AI game first and even few games until I set on his best runes/items, I don't test him in game where I may ruin 4 other people's time because I'm selfish bastard
    I still fail to see how this is relevant. Unless you're awful, you will not be worse than the people you play with/against when you start out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That's simply wrong. All those times when you won the lanes but lost the teamfights? Yep, that's the bad team composition showing.
    Hardly. I don't mean to burst your bubble, but team composition doesn't matter at all until 1800+ ELO. It really comes down to positioning and map control, not team comp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxigen View Post
    Hardly. I don't mean to burst your bubble, but team composition doesn't matter at all until 1800+ ELO. It really comes down to positioning and map control, not team comp.
    Team comp helps a lot, but it's no excuse until players are good enough to make a team comp work. I would say a little lower than that.

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    Guys, guys, GUYS!

    Could you please get back on topic? People are bitching over one another and talking about WoW stuff -- this is the LoL "What champ should I buy" thread.

    :S
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    Well what champion I should buy last ? I hate Jarvan/Jayce/Karma/MF/Poppy/Trundle/Viktor/Xerath
    Which one of them I should buy last in order ?
    I know it is weird question but the topic name is what champion should I buy, no mention of "first or last or now or later"
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    Last? Probably Viktor or Xerath.

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    Okay. I instabought Kha'Zix and loved him. I'm approaching 6300 IP and eyeing Rengar; is it worth it? If I liked Kha, will I love Rengar?
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    Which champion I should buy from these: Gragas, Xin or Blitz.
    I kind of play on all lanes (jungling not so much) and I'm very fond of variety though when doing 5v5 premades with friends I'm often top or support.

    Also, I am trying to learn about jungling more and would like to have more variety on that as well but so far I am stuck with Hecarim because he is only one I have jungled with so any recommended jungler champions I should start out with? (prefer fighter > tank)

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    For starting jungling? If you're comfortable with how to do it due to Hecarim, you can skip Warwick. Jax is an amazing jungler and very cheap. Kha'zix is not cheap but is OP and AMAZING fun. Fiddlesticks is great if you can nail his playstyle (I never could). If you're looking for a strong, cheap, easy and fighter-ey jungler, then go for Jax.
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    @Duilliath
    Yeah I didn't buy Xerath when he had like 90% rp price reduced (only time I see a champ that cheap ever), he may end as last on list, they said they will change his passive so far nothing yet, Kogmaw still way better than him as artillery ranged mage
    @PMMigey
    Rengar is a lot tankier than Kha'zik, some consider him even OP, he is totally worth 6300ip and his ulti is very good to gank, better team fighter than Kha'zik too and deadly ganks after lvl6
    @The Tsundere Lover
    If you prefer top or support, then don't buy Gragas, he might work top, but I can name 10champs better top than him, Xin for top, Blitz for support
    I'd go for Blitz, a must for anyone who want to test support, the hero hold the record of most CC champ in game with 3 interrupts
    For jungling, first do you need assassin type, ap type, bruiser type or tanky type? You didn't specify anything
    AP : Fiddle/Diana
    assassin: Kha'zik/Nocturne/Fiora/Tryndamere (has very slow jungle however, not recommended)/Shaco(strongest jungler start, also he falls off late game)
    bruiser (tanky dps): Udyr/Lee Sin (has high skill cap, not recommended)/Riven (not that good)/Skarner (one of top junglers in game now)
    tanks: Volibear/Amumu/Nautilus/Malphite/Moaki

    please not that is a rough guide, you can build Malphite as AP and jungle, however Malphite suits the team better as Tank imo, he counters AD carry easily, some can argue that assassins can be bruisers, or bruisers can be assassins, it still depend on item built, but while Nocturne can be built tanky, his spells turn toward being assassin much better

    Since you prefer fighter I'd go for Skarner/Rengar they both are fighters and can jungle very well
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    Geez so many options =S. I seek more of a bruiser or assasin jungler because I lack most tanks but otherwise own most of those you ppl recommended except for Rengar and Jax. So from bruisers which jungler would be good, I sadly miss skarner although he is one I am going to buy soon™.

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    Olaf. Jax. Darius.

    Probably three best bruiser junglers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    Olaf. Jax. Darius.

    Probably three best bruiser junglers.
    Nocturne, Lee, Shyvana?

    Honestly aslong as you have a basic rune page just go ahead and try ranked if you feel ready. If you are too inexperienced it´s ok because that is what matchmaking is for and the worst thing that can happen is you end up in low ELO. Counterpicking is completely irrelevant at low ELO anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balleny View Post
    why shouldnt i play ranked? got full runes, masterys set up and enough exp.
    Because you don't have multiple rune setups, nor are you likely to have enough champions to counter-pick or avoid being counter-picked, or to avoid the champions you're "good" with being banned. I may be wrong, admittedly - I avoid ranked games myself simply because I don't feel comfortable going in without having at least two "good" champs in every role. And right now I really only manage ADC and support with that. What happens if I'm forced, because of picking last, to be the jungle? The role I'm currently least comfortable/experienced at?

    Sure, I could just deal with it - man up, lose some games, get outplayed. But I'd rather not be put into that kind of situation. Don't want to contribute to the group of unskilled players in ranked games that people like to bitch about.
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