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    I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm finally level 30 and now I'm constantly wondering whether or not I should use IP to beef up my rune pages or if I should get more champions I'd like to play. I only have a select few runes and most of them are tailored to AD based champs, mostly ArP and Attack speed with flat armor yellows and scaling mr blues. Do runes make enough of difference in power that I should get 2-3 full rune pages first or should I just buy champions I like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castozor View Post
    Maybe WW jungle? At lower levels it should be okay since very few champs can successfully jungle so counter jungling shouldn't be really problematic and he can sustain like the best of them and the ulti makes ganking quite easy to do. Jax is pretty strong too although I'm not sure how easy to play he is. Garen shouldn't be too hard either and he has no mana to manage so that makes him easier as well.
    No jungle. That's what I do. lol I typically play with my friend, who lanes. So I was thinking maybe have her play a support. Then she doesn't have to try and get kills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castozor View Post
    I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I'm finally level 30 and now I'm constantly wondering whether or not I should use IP to beef up my rune pages or if I should get more champions I'd like to play. I only have a select few runes and most of them are tailored to AD based champs, mostly ArP and Attack speed with flat armor yellows and scaling mr blues. Do runes make enough of difference in power that I should get 2-3 full rune pages first or should I just buy champions I like?
    You'll get a split on this question from different folks here.

    Despite being level 30, you're still new to the game. The only way you truly learn what champions are capable of doing is by playing them (important for both mastering playing with AND against). I always recommend folks develop a strong set of rune pages before they go off and buy specific champs that may fall out of favor to a new player.

    The first question to ask would be: What are my best 3 roles (or what 3 roles do I want to focus on)? If one of your answers is jungling, you may need 2-3 rune pages just to cover all possible jungle picks. Granted, that is a bit advanced and you can get away with playing almost all jungle champions with 1 generic rune page.

    2 rune pages that you MUST have would be the standard AD and AP pages:

    AD - flat AD OR ArPen reds, armor yellows, MR/level blues, AD quints
    AP - MagicPen reds, (whatever yellows, usually hp/level), Flat OR Scaling AP blues, AP Quints

    Even your AP pages can vary...some AP mids are nice w/ mana regen yellows...but that won't help you playing Morde or Vlad.

    I highly recommend having a support page as well. There will be times when you're last pick and forced into a support role...who knows, maybe you'll learn to love it (I know I did). My support page is: flat armor reds, flat armor yellows, MR/level blues, and GP/10 quints. That will work for every single support in the game.

    A good standard jungle page: AS reds, armor yellows, MR/level blues, and MS (move speed) quints. The only champs that I jungle with on a regular basis that do not fit that page are Maokai, Nunu, and Nocturne...no biggie.

    So, in essence, I recommend straight up buying the 7 rune page thingy for RP first, filling your first pages with generic "do-all" rune setups, then buy specific champions you enjoy and optimize them with specific rune pages last.

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    I know this is kind of a hard order to fill, but any suggestions for champions that are fun/good but not exactly mainstream, if you know what i mean? i have 6660 IP atm so any price range would do ( though can't get runes if i get a 6300 ) Reason it would be harder to suggest champions is because i have 54, and no good way to show who i have.

    Examples ( Gangplank ( not crit ) Kayle ( not support ) )

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    I'm debating a new buy to add to my little collection I have going now, but need some advice:

    Nidalee - she seems pretty great, and I find Elise quite fun, plus my main is Morgana and they have similar skill shots to land I think.

    Karthus - my mains all have ways to deal with Karthus' ultimate (Morg, Vlad, Sivir, Nocturne) - but it seems like he could be a Lot of fun versus bots or blind picks

    Lux - she's a lot like Morgana but her binding hits multiple people and her beam attack is more fun than having to build tanky for soul shackle (and she's got much better attack range for poking), I still think I prefer morgana for competitive play - but lux is a lot of fun for bots/blind picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkillOverKill View Post
    I'm debating a new buy to add to my little collection I have going now, but need some advice:

    Nidalee - she seems pretty great, and I find Elise quite fun, plus my main is Morgana and they have similar skill shots to land I think.

    Karthus - my mains all have ways to deal with Karthus' ultimate (Morg, Vlad, Sivir, Nocturne) - but it seems like he could be a Lot of fun versus bots or blind picks

    Lux - she's a lot like Morgana but her binding hits multiple people and her beam attack is more fun than having to build tanky for soul shackle (and she's got much better attack range for poking), I still think I prefer morgana for competitive play - but lux is a lot of fun for bots/blind picks.
    Either Karthus or lux, i recently picked up karthus and hes fun, play a little passive with some poke and wait til endgame, then collect easy quadras.
    I don't have lux but i've played her once or twice, shes got one of the highest bursts in the game afaik
    and a lot of my friends have been playing nidalee lately, even with a bunch of AP Cougar form wrecks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilightdawn View Post
    Either Karthus or lux, i recently picked up karthus and hes fun, play a little passive with some poke and wait til endgame, then collect easy quadras.
    I don't have lux but i've played her once or twice, shes got one of the highest bursts in the game afaik
    and a lot of my friends have been playing nidalee lately, even with a bunch of AP Cougar form wrecks.
    That's what I figured for Karthus ya

    Lux has an awesome combo ya, Binding / Ground Effect / Laser Beam is so awesome (same as Morg's Binding / Ground Effect / Soul Shackle) - but unlike Morg where I need to get in melee to make it work, I can land laser beams from off the map She's fun but good players dodge lasers pretty consistently unless you bind them first (but bots / noobs dont!) and her shield isn't as good as Morgs.

    Ya Nidalee's AP build was what interested me in her, her skill shot with an AP build hits Crazy hard and I'm a skill shot sniper so I think I'd excel at those
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkillOverKill View Post
    That's what I figured for Karthus ya

    Lux has an awesome combo ya, Binding / Ground Effect / Laser Beam is so awesome (same as Morg's Binding / Ground Effect / Soul Shackle) - but unlike Morg where I need to get in melee to make it work, I can land laser beams from off the map She's fun but good players dodge lasers pretty consistently unless you bind them first (but bots / noobs dont!) and her shield isn't as good as Morgs.

    Ya Nidalee's AP build was what interested me in her, her skill shot with an AP build hits Crazy hard and I'm a skill shot sniper so I think I'd excel at those
    Morganas shield is only for spells, so there is that bonus to lux's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilightdawn View Post
    I know this is kind of a hard order to fill, but any suggestions for champions that are fun/good but not exactly mainstream, if you know what i mean? i have 6660 IP atm so any price range would do ( though can't get runes if i get a 6300 ) Reason it would be harder to suggest champions is because i have 54, and no good way to show who i have.

    Examples ( Gangplank ( not crit ) Kayle ( not support ) )
    Do you enjoy AP mid laners?

    Xerath - I'm having an absolute blast playing him. Positioning is key, but you can drop bombs from waaaaaay back and absolutely light people up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvaelle View Post
    I'm debating a new buy to add to my little collection I have going now, but need some advice:

    Nidalee - she seems pretty great, and I find Elise quite fun, plus my main is Morgana and they have similar skill shots to land I think.

    Karthus - my mains all have ways to deal with Karthus' ultimate (Morg, Vlad, Sivir, Nocturne) - but it seems like he could be a Lot of fun versus bots or blind picks

    Lux - she's a lot like Morgana but her binding hits multiple people and her beam attack is more fun than having to build tanky for soul shackle (and she's got much better attack range for poking), I still think I prefer morgana for competitive play - but lux is a lot of fun for bots/blind picks.
    Nid is quite fun and is indeed a bit like Elise since you constantly have to switch forms. Though Elise is (imo) more tanky with a bit of AP, while a solo top Nid is generally more AD and a bit less tanky. With her passive and cougar form she's damn hard to chase and she brings some nice burst while still having great pre-teamfight poke and sustain, though in teamfights the sustain is more or less used to give your ranged AD shitloads of attack speed. Really good pusher and easy farming too. There skillshots are different though. You could compare Elise her cocoon with a Morgana Q or Lux Q a bit, though it doesn't do any damage. Nidalee her spear is totally different. Nid can be played as solo top, AP midlane and support in normal basically.

    Lux is damn fun too, she's fun in mid because her E does quite a lot of damage and has a huge range, double snare, ulti that scales great with AP and a good shield. With 40% CDR her ulti has like 28 sec CD at rank 3 or so, which is very .. very short. a Q + ulti followed up with autoattack and E does fuckloads of damage. She has no escapes though, but if you position well you can do very much with your Q and E. These days I play her as support though since I'm a bit bored of my kill supports and Janna. Most try to build her AP too botlane which is just beyond wrong imo. With good support items you easily hit 40% cdr too without blue. You won't do much damage, but your Q, E and shield have very low cooldowns. She's just godly in CC'ing multiple targets, zoning multiple targets or massive slow, and shielding multiple targets. That and your ulti is still relatively good in teamfights or to get that runner.

    Imo 2 very fun champs who can both be played in totally different roles.

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    Irelia or Leona?

    Answers on a postcard please.

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    What role... Leona is bot support who is tanky, Irelia is top laner who is bruiser
    Irelia can enter a fight survive dmg and kill enemy ap carry
    Leona control a fight, however she is very bad farmer and she plays Main Tank, she will be focus of many fights' fire while having not that good gear, if you fall with Leona, you fall badly

    Irelia get nerfed every patch because her passive is way OP that make them have very hard time to balance her
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    Either position is fine but i have enough top laners, how is Leona support?

    Ive been told i might get bitch duty a lot when i draft/ranked.

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    Leona is pretty damn awesome. She just has an incredible amount of CC, a bit of burst with W in lane and your passive and even more incredible CC. Thanks to her W she's even a full tank without building full tank. Imo next to Blitzcrank she's the best kill lane champ you can get. Why anyone would care about her farming is beyond me, or even people focussing her, because that is the entire point of Leona ...

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    I guess Leona it is then

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    What role... Leona is bot support who is tanky, Irelia is top laner who is bruiser
    Irelia can enter a fight survive dmg and kill enemy ap carry
    Leona control a fight, however she is very bad farmer and she plays Main Tank, she will be focus of many fights' fire while having not that good gear, if you fall with Leona, you fall badly

    Irelia get nerfed every patch because her passive is way OP that make them have very hard time to balance her
    This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    - You do not farm with her.
    - You buy GP/10
    - She can be knocked off hard late game if she didn't properly gear.
    - Her burst is insane between lvl 6 and 14.
    - Her utility and CC remains scary even after lvl 14.
    - Leona can get away wiith making kills, because (she's just that awesome and) her W might end a fight in her benefit.
    - If you do properly gear her, she's a hard nut to crack, has very low CD's on all abilities, allowing her to infinitely chase foes that are slightly faster.
    - Her R becomes essential during the groupphase to survive and pick of single targets, while her Q + R combination is the way for your carry to get early kills in lane.
    - Her pressure on a lane is insane, if paired with a good carry.
    - 2 stuns, 1 slow, 1 debuff that adds damage to teammates attacks and reveals the opponent for x seconds (handy when fighting close to bush).


    Leona is fantastic. If you miss her cross skillshots with E, keep trying until you never miss. It's worth it.

    P.S. My creep kills range between 40 to a 100 in a single game, due to the fact that I occasionally function as a cleanupcrew vs minions. At lvl 18, your W CD will be very low and will oneshot any minions in range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pvt Hudson View Post
    Either position is fine but i have enough top laners, how is Leona support?

    Ive been told i might get bitch duty a lot when i draft/ranked.
    "Bitch duty" is my favorite role.

    Leona is a super fun, hyper-aggressive support. Absolutely one of my favorites, especially when playing w/ my AD carry friend (his Corki and Tristana are bawwwss).

    It is extremely important to maintain brush control (like with Blitzcrank)...this means buying lots of wards and communicating with your carry.

    Standard support build:
    Philo
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    Aegis
    Shurelyas
    Locket
    ...and about 30 wards.

    Get 1 rank of Q, 1 rank of E, and max W first. At level 3 you can get froggy with all 3 abilities, but your trades just get better and better as that W ranks up.

    I try to open with my ultimate (short CD, use often with good preparation with your carry) from the brush right as they go to last hit (won't be moving).

    In team fights you're basically peeling for your AD carry...pretty simple.
    Last edited by Toxigen; 2012-11-07 at 04:39 PM.

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    Can anybody recommend a good mid AP caster, I've been playing Brand lately. My main AP mid is Karthus, Orianna and Cassio. (Morgana is awesome as well)


    (Malza seems interesting to me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StNimrod View Post
    Can anybody recommend a good mid AP caster, I've been playing Brand lately. My main AP mid is Karthus, Orianna and Cassio. (Morgana is awesome as well)


    (Malza seems interesting to me)
    Ahri is awesome, wonderful mobility and tons of burst. Once you get a bit ahead and start roaming you can carry the other lanes easily. Malz is fun to play as well, but much less mobile and reliant on his combo. Zyra is still strong as well, even after the nerfs.
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