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    Quote Originally Posted by Babaganouch View Post
    None will go straight into raiding, we have 50 levels to try and learn, should be enough for anyone who's played MMOs before.
    I will go straight into raiding. Levelling will be done as efficently as possible (while participating in the story). End-game is primary and secondary focus.

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    there is almost zero chance this will still be correct or relevant when the game goes live and people are hitting max level

    besides, half the fun of a new game is playing around and figuring out things for yourself as you level
    There may be tweaks but we will keep it updated as it comes. This is me messing around and figuring out things for myself with the information presented and I am sharing it with people who are interested in end-game and tanking.
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    Not gonna lie, this picture looks like a building plan for a home lol

    is JK/SW rotation that complicated?
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    Two things.

    One, its still breaking NDA if you talk about it in PMs.

    Two, that really means nothing to people who haven't played yet. And even people who have already played but aren't that familiar with the game yet.

    I appreciate the effort and insight anyways though, ty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarasthura View Post
    Not gonna lie, this picture looks like a building plan for a home lol

    is JK/SW rotation that complicated?
    Yeah.

    Not to be insulting Traces, but I really think you're adding a lot of lines for no reason, making it look wayyyyy more complicated than it actually is. I mean, you rewrote the whole AS/SA thing four times, and your legend is incomplete. What is T? What is DS?

    Surely there is a simpler way to explain this. Let me give it a shot, I'm sure you can correct my mistakes.

    Priority:

    Blade Storm > Force Sweep > Sundering Assault > Assault

    That's basically it, isn't it? You use Blade Storm if you have the focus and if it's off CD, it's top priority. If Blade Storm is on CD and you have 3 Focus, you use Force Sweep. If Blade Storm is on CD and you don't have 3 Focus, you use Sundering Assault. If Blade Storm is still on CD and also Sundering Assault is on CD, then you use Assault.

    I read into it a bit more, I'm still trying to understand the rest of this. I'm going to assume that "T" is a typo and it's supposed to be "ST", which would make sense for an opener.

    Now, you use Guardian Slash if you have 4 focus but your Blade Storm is on CD, okay. I'm still not sure what "DS Debuff" is, it's not explained. I'm guessing that either BS or FS gives DS, but yeah, your chart doesn't make this clear.


    Edit: Yeah, it really isn't a complicated rotation/priority order when you actually try to understand it. Not much more than a Rogue or Cata Feral, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    Yeah.

    Not to be insulting Traces, but I really think you're adding a lot of lines for no reason, making it look wayyyyy more complicated than it actually is. I mean, you rewrote the whole AS/SA thing four times, and your legend is incomplete. What is T? What is DS?

    Surely there is a simpler way to explain this. Let me give it a shot, I'm sure you can correct my mistakes.

    Priority:

    Blade Storm > Force Sweep > Sundering Assault > Assault

    That's basically it, isn't it? You use Blade Storm if you have the focus and if it's off CD, it's top priority. If Blade Storm is on CD and you have 3 Focus, you use Force Sweep. If Blade Storm is on CD and you don't have 3 Focus, you use Sundering Assault. If Blade Storm is still on CD and also Sundering Assault is on CD, then you use Assault.

    I read into it a bit more, I'm still trying to understand the rest of this. I'm going to assume that "T" is a typo and it's supposed to be "ST", which would make sense for an opener.

    Now, you use Guardian Slash if you have 4 focus but your Blade Storm is on CD, okay. I'm still not sure what "DS Debuff" is, it's not explained. I'm guessing that either BS or FS gives DS, but yeah, your chart doesn't make this clear.


    Edit: Yeah, it really isn't a complicated rotation/priority order when you actually try to understand it. Not much more than a Rogue or Cata Feral, at least.
    Yeah man, cleaned it up. That was a rough draft that I was using to just illustrate it. You also need to use Guardian Slash to maintain your debuff and also Riposte as a Focus dump like Maul for Druids or Heroic Strike.

    It is just meant to give everyone a visual representation of how to manage Focus and abilities to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    Not to be insulting Traces, but I really think you're adding a lot of lines for no reason, making it look wayyyyy more complicated than it actually is. I mean, you rewrote the whole AS/SA thing four times, and your legend is incomplete. What is T? What is DS?
    Yeah sry about that man.
    The T was Taunt and DS was demoralizing shout - since we didnt have a name - only a debuff similar to that mechanic confirmed.
    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    Surely there is a simpler way to explain this. Let me give it a shot, I'm sure you can correct my mistakes.

    Priority:

    Blade Storm > Force Sweep > Sundering Assault > Assault

    That's basically it, isn't it? You use Blade Storm if you have the focus and if it's off CD, it's top priority. If Blade Storm is on CD and you have 3 Focus, you use Force Sweep. If Blade Storm is on CD and you don't have 3 Focus, you use Sundering Assault. If Blade Storm is still on CD and also Sundering Assault is on CD, then you use Assault.
    Well you basicly got it right. except when you combine focus/rage consuming abilities you will never be able to make a straght list like you did.

    You would need to say:
    Priority consuming abilities: Blade Storm > Force Sweep > Guardian Slash > High single target dmg ability
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    Priority rage/focus generating abilities: Soresu Form > Combat Focus > Sundering Assault > Assault > Force Leap/Saber Throw

    Try having a look at the newly uploaded sprad sheet/flow chart and see if you like it better

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    New chart seems to flow much better than the previous one did, thanks for all the work you guys are putting in

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    Thanks for taking the time to do this, planning on rolling a Juggernaut so it was nice to see a quick chart of the overall priority. I'm not really sure why people equate understanding/discussing a tanking rotation as being a way to skip all the content in a rush to get to the end of the leveling process. I'm pretty sure you can still make important role playing decisions involving quests, companions, and character development at whatever pace you deem fit while also having an understanding of what holds threat as best as possible. If you don't care to know, don't click on threads clearly titled "______ rotation".

    Also, having a understanding of such things while doing flashpoints along the way can only better you're experience. You can instantly make a positive name for yourself on your server as you level as being one of the tanks who understands his class. A major part of being a tank is having knowledge of the boss mechanics and knowing your class well enough to manipulate those mechanics with quick response times, why someone would want to ignore half of that until they figure it out themselves '2 months later' is beyond me.

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    If all that info's correct I'm gonna have a fun time on my Sith warrior~
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    Yeah the chart looks a lot easier to understand now The * part made me laugh, "Use high damage single target ability*, can't say this without breaking NDA". (I wonder if that ability is "Riposte" since Traces said that in a previous post :O)

    But yeah, great flowchart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    Yeah the chart looks a lot easier to understand now The * part made me laugh, "Use high damage single target ability*, can't say this without breaking NDA". (I wonder if that ability is "Riposte" since Traces said that in a previous post :O)

    But yeah, great flowchart.
    Took some time to create too But a cup of cofee and skype makes it all worth it !

    No it's not Riposte xD - though it would have been fun!

    Riposte is a Rune strike mechanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlord Urahara View Post
    If all that info's correct I'm gonna have a fun time on my Sith warrior~
    The Focus/rage generating part is pretty much set in stone - that hasn't been changed for a loong time! - Though the abilties and prio might - Since we don't know enough about buff stacking mechanics and debuff mechanics. But now that we already have a flow chart in progress - we will be able to create a spot on very quickly when the NDA is removed/game is released.

    ---------- Post added 2011-10-25 at 07:06 AM ----------

    The current flow chart isn't 100% satisfying ( We need to implement time left on cd's and how much focus/rage you got - for the flow chart to hit maximum potential) - but there is an advanced version coming. We primarily made this new one to give a neat first impression that was somewhat easy to understand (is it ? ) - then it is easier moving on to the flow chart with timers/cd's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    Yeah the chart looks a lot easier to understand now The * part made me laugh, "Use high damage single target ability*, can't say this without breaking NDA". (I wonder if that ability is "Riposte" since Traces said that in a previous post :O)

    But yeah, great flowchart.
    Yeah, I got Elobi to redraw it up in a cleaner way. Working on the Trooper/BH flowchart just now and should have that up in a couple of days and then probably the Consular/Inquisitor one in a week or so.

    The high damage one will be like Mangle for Druids or that and Riposte would be like Maul.

    Any other requests, we can look into it (picking something like Smuggler Saboteur would be impossible due to the footage, so pick something that is commonly available).
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    I have a question for ya Traces. These charts are based soley on abilities with no reflection on talent trees and the additional abilities you aquire, as well as the ability and stat modifications talents will give, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollsbane View Post
    I have a question for ya Traces. These charts are based soley on abilities with no reflection on talent trees and the additional abilities you aquire, as well as the ability and stat modifications talents will give, correct?
    I've sent a message to Elobi asking him, I just done the charts on details he gave me. Just waiting on a reply and I'll get back to you. I know all of the abilites named are NDA safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by vizzle View Post
    Tank Trooper or DPS Trooper? Would love DPS Trooper (Commando)
    I have a Vanguard - Shield Specialist one done. I could do a Vanguard - Assault Specialist or Tactics one but I don't remember seeing many Commando stuff about. Although I can have a look through all of the fresh press stuff and I might find some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollsbane View Post
    I have a question for ya Traces. These charts are based soley on abilities with no reflection on talent trees and the additional abilities you aquire, as well as the ability and stat modifications talents will give, correct?
    Yes - the chart is done without consideration of the talent trees - We are well aware that the subject that we are discussing and trying to elaborate is a fine line between official and NDA leaks.

    All the infomation gathered is taken from videos and posts released by BW and press releases.

    I will create a proper source list for forum users to explore by themselves and to negate any uncertainty there might be regarding a possible NDA breach.


    The main focus of the flow chart of the Jedi Guardian - is Focus/rage control - the actuall abilities and their stat modifications is very likely to change.

    However the cost of the abilties and the way rage/focus flows has been the same since I started looking into JK:G.
    So as I've said before; the priority will most likely change - but when it does and we got solid info, we will already have a excisting flow chart that will be easy to configure without causing ourselfs any headaches.
    That way I can start doing some of the more heavy duty work, such as combat rating values and damage reduction - which is what im looking most forward to.
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    Some of you might think that I'm outright contradicting myself, since Traces and I defended our cause so heavily in the beginning of the thread. But we know that things might change - We just wanted to start a sober discussion about upcoming mechanics for the JK:G - and hopefully others classes aswell.

    Traces is going to play a Tropper: Vangaurd tank as main when the game releases - So I would definetly take a closer look at his tropper chart (Since all my knowledge at the moment is about JC and JK).


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    Ok cool. I just wanted to make sure. =)

    I could be wrong, but I believe you need 10 posts.

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    Thats perfectly understandable, personally I cross check too many times because the point of having a thread that you get banned is burr

    OT: allright Thank you - I forgot the pass to my old account and don't use the e-mail anymore - so someone please reply so I can hit 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elobi View Post
    Thats perfectly understandable, personally I cross check too many times because the point of having a thread that you get banned is burr

    OT: allright Thank you - I forgot the pass to my old account and don't use the e-mail anymore - so someone please reply so I can hit 10

    The updated chart is much more sleek and visually much easier on the eyes. Nice job and there you go.

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