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  1. #41
    WoL is just far, far more comprehensive than recount/skada. I'm really not sure how to explain it, when you can sit there and sift through combat logs line-by-line to find stuff, it really makes a huge difference. Granted, for normal mode casual game play it might not provide you any benefit, but when you're a guild that cares to analyze logs of both their own guild and other guilds on a regular basis, WoL provides infinite more functionality than an in-game damage meter.

    ---------- Post added 2011-10-24 at 12:40 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Jellyphant View Post
    Comparing world of logs to recount is like comparing a scalpel to child-friendly scissors. Sure, if you just want to cut a piece of paper the scissors will work, but don't hand them to a doctor and expect him to perform surgery.
    I like it. You have my stamp of approval.

  2. #42
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.
    It's quite easy to tell you've never gone much further then that of your average PuG in terms of progression.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.
    It takes all of like 2 minutes of 1 person's time to get the log for the night, and maybe 2-3 minutes to check a few important things (potion use) for a whole 10-man raid.

    Anything more in-depth I just do for the hell of it, cause it's fun*.

    Oh, and reaming that first hunter of ours who always swore he'd switch for face rage after checking logs (so glad we got rid of him), was fun. It's always nice to see (0 seconds) Rageface casts face rage, (6 seconds or so) Mage dies, (10 seconds) Failhunter casts Chimera shot. Also confirming for our mage that yes, indeed, it was the pally tank chucking balls at him all night. An entire log of "Pally tank casts Heavy Leather Ball at Mage" over and over was funny to look at, especially once myself, the mage, and the priest all got involved and started chucking them at eachother.

    That said, it is completely unnecessary. We only started cause I felt like logging, and frankly the only two people who use them at all are myself and the priest healer. It's very rare we even bring it up in game.

    *Your definition of "fun" may vary from mine, but I'm very much a numbers person .

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.
    Let us know when you get normal Rag down.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.
    Does Elitist Jerks scare you off 'cause they're Elitist Jerks?

  7. #47
    WoL is so much more then a DPS record. It's a tool to figure out why you just wiped to a boss. For instance, one of the melee in our group was claiming he was "stunning" on of the sons of flame on normal rag. Using WoL, we where able to determine he was full of shit and gkicked his lying ass.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.
    Obvious troll is obvious. Go tell the top 20 guilds they aren't good enough and need more practice, because I'd be willing to be that every single one of them logs and analzes those logs. That isn't a coincidence by the way.

  9. #49
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    There is so much more data than just 'dps' on WoL, and if you don't realize that then you either:

    a) Do well enough for your guild and do not seek personal improvement
    b) Have never realized you can find fault in OTHER peoples performance based on Cooldown usage, consumables, extra abilities, movement, damage taken and what is doing what to whom. Thus helping your entire group (aka: not the raid leader or his/her pet shouty person)
    c) Haven't actually looked through WoL properly

    I can only imagine that is what it must be. If your guild is speeding through the heroic raids in 1-3 weeks and your group is a well oiled powerhouse then sure, WoL is utterly pointless as human error is just simply thus and cannot be improved upon anymore than just running at the boss full force again, but it is a far more indepth post-battle analysis tool than recount. It can still be subject to some recording faults but it's a must for any progression guild.
    Last edited by Aqua; 2011-10-24 at 07:46 PM.
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    Yeah, it's always WAR WAR WAR untill..BY ALL THAT IS HOLY DO YOU SEE THAT ENEMY OVER THERE?? GLORIOUS LOOT!!!!!

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post
    To be honest it's entirely unnecessary and taken far too seriously by most people, unless you like nitpicking over pedantic, little things that don't matter in the long run.

    If you need to "Analyze" logs to beat a boss, the chances you're just not good enough or simply need more practice. You get better through time and effort, not by looking at numbers.
    People generally don't analyse logs to beat bosses; they analyse logs because they want to do better than they did last time. When a boss is continuously hitting the floor I find it's the best way to keep yourself awake.
    Last edited by TobiasX; 2011-10-24 at 09:42 PM.

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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by detached View Post
    There is also another site that can take your WoL log and give you a nice overview about various things.

    http://raidbots.com/comparebot/4ea48...000332#potions
    Wow, thanks for that

  12. #52
    Talking about "progression on farmed content" there is the "epeen bot" function from raidbots.com
    This tool enables anyone to easily track each player "progression" (if any) : boss by boss, spec by spec, week after week (for kills)

    That's a pretty interesting thing if you want to check if anyone is slacking on farmed content. This can help "motivate" peolpe so you can spend 1h30 or 2h instead of 3 to 4h on farmed 6/7 before starting progression on h rag.
    Last edited by nipil; 2011-10-25 at 02:30 PM.

  13. #53
    WoL is to see if you get ranked among the big boys or not

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