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  1. #61
    So then, yes. Haha, like I said, terrible with the numbers and such. Thank you for the quick response!

  2. #62
    I know its still a WIP, but I thought heroic VLPC was already considered better as shard. Seeing how shard of woe scales, will that really tip it in favor over heroic VLPC, set aside the 4.3 trinkets?

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Redith View Post
    I know its still a WIP, but I thought heroic VLPC was already considered better as shard. Seeing how shard of woe scales, will that really tip it in favor over heroic VLPC, set aside the 4.3 trinkets?
    Well they are nerfing Shard in 4.3 but by the looks of it the nerfs are only applied to the healing usability of it. As it stands now the trinket is 405 base mana reduction for holy and nature and 205 for all other schools. In 4.3 it will be 205 for everyone so as far as the trinket's usability for Arcane it should remain the same (or possibly slightly better) than it did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redith View Post
    I know its still a WIP, but I thought heroic VLPC was already considered better as shard. Seeing how shard of woe scales, will that really tip it in favor over heroic VLPC, set aside the 4.3 trinkets?
    Because the gear has a very retarded amount of Haste on it. Before reforging, you're sitting at about 3,000 Haste rating with only a need to reforge for 2% Hit (the Arcane set comes with 14.99% Hit build into it). Due to the way the set bonus works for Arcane and given the amount of Haste, I concluded that SoW would be better than the Int+Haste trinket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    Because the gear has a very retarded amount of Haste on it. Before reforging, you're sitting at about 3,000 Haste rating with only a need to reforge for 2% Hit (the Arcane set comes with 14.99% Hit build into it). Due to the way the set bonus works for Arcane and given the amount of Haste, I concluded that SoW would be better than the Int+Haste trinket.
    You also need to take into account the increased mana pools will scale SOW to give you longer burns, effectively increasing the value of 4T13 exponentially. Right now (without SOW) my initial burn is ~40-45 seconds (without SOW), SOW would easily increase that atleast a minute. You're now talking with a 20 second CD (75% uptime) I'll get 3 arcane powers on my initial burn alone.

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  6. #66
    Looks like my hopes that if I wait until 4.3 I won't have to convince my raid to go back and run Sinestra (and roll over the other mage) were completely unfounded ):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imnick View Post
    Looks like my hopes that if I wait until 4.3 I won't have to convince my raid to go back and run Sinestra (and roll over the other mage) were completely unfounded ):
    Depends on further class changes and trinket tweaks.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Swizzle View Post
    You think Kavan's are better than Janglespur? Also, you importing from RAWR into SimCraft or howdy doody?
    I made my spreadsheet then moved all the PTR items i could find into Rawr so I could import that into SimCraft,

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    Normal T13 list+T11/T12hm

    ptr.wowhead.com/compare?items=76213.0.4207.0.68780.52207.0.0.151:71472.0.0.0.52207.0.0.0.151:76216.0.4200. 0.52207.52207.0.0.144:77098.0.4115:76215.0.4102.0.52207.52207.52205.0.154:71989.0.0.0.5220 7.52207.0.0.151:78357.0.4107.0.52207.52207.0.0.151:77255.0.0.0.52207.52207.0.0.144:76214.0 .4113.0.52207.52207.52205.0.151:77234.0.4104.0.52207.52207.0.0.151:78012.0.4080.0.52207.0. 0.0.151:77228.0.4080.0.52207.0.0.0.140:60233:77198:71086.0.0.0.52207.52207.52207:77079

    sorry dragonwrath can't be reforged in wowhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemex View Post
    I made my spreadsheet then moved all the PTR items i could find into Rawr so I could import that into SimCraft,
    Alright, but do you really feel that Kavan's are better than Jenglespur?

  11. #71
    Why are there heroic version of Valor items in those lists?

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Jturner View Post
    Why are there heroic version of Valor items in those lists?
    which ones are the heroic version of Valor items?? care to list them so maybe swizzle can change them??
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulstrike View Post
    which ones are the heroic version of Valor items?? care to list them so maybe swizzle can change them??
    Nanoprecise cape
    Chronoboost Bracers
    Opal of the Secret Order

    Went and double checked the Valor Vendor really quick just to make sure.
    Last edited by Tutaeru; 2011-10-31 at 06:59 AM.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Jturner View Post
    Nanoprecise cape
    Chronoboost Bracers
    Opal of the Secret Order

    Went and double checked the Valor Vendor really quick just to make sure.
    those items were in http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...3#post13879613
    theres also raid finder version of thse, where are you geting your information from that these are valor items??(boe heroic dont makes sense yea but could be changed )
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  15. #75
    Those items can be bough from the Valor Vendor right now on the PTR, im looking right at them.

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    Can comfirm that, together with the caster wand you can also buy for 700 valor points. I somehow doubt there will be hero versions of that gear. We have almost always seen hero versions of those kind of items on wowhead or here, but they never made it ingame. I bet it will be the same with those items.

  17. #77
    Maybe they have plans to do the whole "Firestone upgrade" thing with some valor items again like they did this patch. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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    Frost BiS looks horrible.

    Haste from Gear: 2774
    Haste Trinket: 3278
    Haste 2p T13: 500

    With Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Time Warp 30% + Icy Veins 20% = 152% Haste
    With Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Time Warp 30% = 110% Haste
    Without Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Time Warp 30% + Icy Veins 20% = 109% Haste
    With Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Icy Veins 20% = 94% Haste

    GCD Cap is 50% (Cap for all instants such as ice lance or frostfirebolt). Below GCD cap haste only affects Frostbolt (approx 30% of total damage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenpete View Post
    Frost BiS looks horrible.

    Haste from Gear: 2774
    Haste Trinket: 3278
    Haste 2p T13: 500

    With Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Time Warp 30% + Icy Veins 20% = 152% Haste
    With Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Time Warp 30% = 110% Haste
    Without Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Time Warp 30% + Icy Veins 20% = 109% Haste
    With Trinket Proc + 2/3 NP + 5% Raid Buff + T13 2p + Icy Veins 20% = 94% Haste

    GCD Cap is 50% (Cap for all instants such as ice lance or frostfirebolt). Below GCD cap haste only affects Frostbolt (approx 30% of total damage).
    That gives you a lot of stats to reforge away to Mastery, since I believe the set is Crit capped in a raid setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jturner View Post
    Those items can be bough from the Valor Vendor right now on the PTR, im looking right at them.
    Well, Heroic Trail of Embers was BiS, and that was bought with Valor points.

  20. #80
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    Even if you reforge everthing to mastery (which is not possible, due to a few haste/mastery items), your way beyond 50% GCD cap : / By the loss of T12 4p, mastery is devalued by a fair bit
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