1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusher View Post
    Damnit YoshiP, stop being so transparent, honest and genuinely awesome.

    That man doesn't get nearly enough respect for how spectacular of a job he's done since being brought on. He's probably the best thing to happen to Squeenix proper in the past decade. He's definitely one of the guys in the MMO (and general gaming) industry that I respect the most.
    He'll definitely make a name for himself as the man that made a WoW copy under the name of FFXIV

  2. #502
    Quote Originally Posted by Shink View Post
    He'll definitely make a name for himself as the man that made a WoW copy under the name of FFXIV
    Erm, what? FFXIV is far from a wow copy.

    If 2.0 does well, he'll be making a name for himself as the man that helmed the transition of one of the worst big budget MMO's ever released and turned it into a successful game.

    Seriously, 1.0 was beyond terrible.

  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by edgecrusher View Post
    Erm, what? FFXIV is far from a wow copy.

    If 2.0 does well, he'll be making a name for himself as the man that helmed the transition of one of the worst big budget MMO's ever released and turned it into a successful game.

    Seriously, 1.0 was beyond terrible.
    I'd say he's more likely on the track of becoming a Legendary Director omg wtf bbq God, (ok little far on that part but deff. Legendary). Its hard to take a steaming pile of crap and turn into a stack of gold, but from what i've seen... his alchemy skill must be 60+.

  4. #504
    Quote Originally Posted by Shink View Post
    He'll definitely make a name for himself as the man that made a WoW copy under the name of FFXIV
    Oh look, another mindless drone that believes because a producer is actually getting current with what the populace likes in an MMO he's "copying WoW".

    Newsflash: the only real claim to fame that WoW can call its own is it's LFD tool. Leveling via quests was first brought to the West via WoW but it was hardly the first MMO to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichy View Post
    I'd say he's more likely on the track of becoming a Legendary Director omg wtf bbq God, (ok little far on that part but deff. Legendary). Its hard to take a steaming pile of crap and turn into a stack of gold, but from what i've seen... his alchemy skill must be 60+.
    Considering, if you believe the reputable reporting sources, the entire industry is actually looking to see how this pans out because if he and his crew can actually pull this off it'll be the first MMO that will get turned around from a bad, horrendous launch. Sure, there's others that switch to F2P and limp on but I haven't really seen an MMO pull off a good narrative as well as FFXI has in terms of presentation and layout when it comes to story. If they can pull this off then it'll simply prove that some other developers are really just that fucking clueless when it comes to understanding their playerbase and their wants/needs.

    Square-Enix's always been pretty bold about taking risks, so to them this is just par for course. I'm play FFXI right now and though I'm having fun, the archaic UI and world is wearing on me. I'll give it another shot at least, because it certainly can't be any worse than FFXIV:1.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shink View Post
    He'll definitely make a name for himself as the man that made a WoW copy under the name of FFXIV
    Not sure if serious? He has just as good a chance to fail as he does to succeed, I'll admit, but it will not be because he made a "WoW copy". Read the Letter from the Producers. He's taking inspiration from many successful MMOs; he even met with two producers from UO. YoshiP is so sincere in his desire to make FFXIV good that it makes me sad to see such craptastic responses based on nothing.

  6. #506
    Quote Originally Posted by aikoyamamato View Post
    Not sure if serious? He has just as good a chance to fail as he does to succeed, I'll admit, but it will not be because he made a "WoW copy". Read the Letter from the Producers. He's taking inspiration from many successful MMOs; he even met with two producers from UO. YoshiP is so sincere in his desire to make FFXIV good that it makes me sad to see such craptastic responses based on nothing.
    I agree with what you and Viertel have said. However, thats the difference between other Dev's and Directors compared to YoshiP and square. It always seems like Square FF dev's seem to listen to the community and generally tend to care more about their games then other developers. This is only observed over time, where Eventually Square will correct certain bugs, or leave them in (like Nin becoming new tank instead of sam, and sam becoming the new DD instead of Tank), while other devs tend to just sugar coat band-iad fixes (i'd example wow here... but I can't remember the biggest ones.. was alot at Wrath Launch w/ dk's though).

  7. #507
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichy View Post
    I agree with what you and Viertel have said. However, thats the difference between other Dev's and Directors compared to YoshiP and square. It always seems like Square FF dev's seem to listen to the community and generally tend to care more about their games then other developers. This is only observed over time, where Eventually Square will correct certain bugs, or leave them in (like Nin becoming new tank instead of sam, and sam becoming the new DD instead of Tank), while other devs tend to just sugar coat band-iad fixes (i'd example wow here... but I can't remember the biggest ones.. was alot at Wrath Launch w/ dk's though).
    I think the way I see it is, SE allowed FFXI to be a lot more player driven, utsusemi was not meant to be used the way it was, and if we use WoW as an example, I'm pretty sure that they would have hotfixed it rather quickly to not work at all. TP burning SL and Baha v2 would also have been quickly fixed by many current mmos (Let's ignore AV because that boss was a fucking troll for years).

    I just feel like they had a lot more faith in their player base than current mmo developers and they seem to know when to not listen to stupid suggestions. I haven't played FFXI since Lv75, but from what my friends who still play have said, the whole endgame has shifted to a more lowman group atmosphere which means the devs can obviously change how the game works depending on the player base. If they can have this kind of attitude with the relaunch and not completely ignore all the complaints people have on the beta it should be a success based solely on the Final Fantasy name itself.

    Note: This is purely me being nostalgic about FFXI and wanting FFXIV to be awesome, and probably none of this was actually true or hold any ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichy View Post
    Square FF dev's seem to listen to the community
    lol no. FFXI developers didnt listen and stilll dont listen to the community.

    not to mention no warnings were headed before the launch of worthless FFXIV 1.0

  9. #509
    Quote Originally Posted by Saxonn View Post
    I think the way I see it is, SE allowed FFXI to be a lot more player driven, utsusemi was not meant to be used the way it was, and if we use WoW as an example, I'm pretty sure that they would have hotfixed it rather quickly to not work at all. TP burning SL and Baha v2 would also have been quickly fixed by many current mmos (Let's ignore AV because that boss was a fucking troll for years).

    I just feel like they had a lot more faith in their player base than current mmo developers and they seem to know when to not listen to stupid suggestions. I haven't played FFXI since Lv75, but from what my friends who still play have said, the whole endgame has shifted to a more lowman group atmosphere which means the devs can obviously change how the game works depending on the player base. If they can have this kind of attitude with the relaunch and not completely ignore all the complaints people have on the beta it should be a success based solely on the Final Fantasy name itself.

    Note: This is purely me being nostalgic about FFXI and wanting FFXIV to be awesome, and probably none of this was actually true or hold any ground.
    I was sad that ninja's role was strictly tank. For some levels while I was leveling ninja to 37 I said "screw /war, I'm going /rng for accuracy." Spent a bunch of money on shuriken (far more than I'd spend on tanking) and did a crap-ton of damage with them. Sadly, at higher levels, a shuriken build wouldn't work because they were WAY too damn expensive. Which is sad, because that's always how I envisioned ninja. Not being a noisy guy trying to get enemies attention.

    Still, I played FFXI in such a way that I did whatever the heck I wanted (I used a lot of weird subjobs) with good justification and I always made sure to perform well. Weird combinations were fun and I liked being able to be unique to a degree. They had no homogenization at all, which I think is great. WoW has gotten really boring with all classes bringing pretty much the same stuff to the table. Class should matter. A lot.

    The only reason I quit the game is because I couldn't stand sitting for hour waiting for groups and be prepared to dedicate more hours in the group. I needed a game where I could do something for 30min-1hour and actually feel like I accomplished something in that time. Questing based RPG. Glad to see FFXIV is heading in that direction, I'm seriously considering it.

  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by Killingifrit View Post
    lol no. FFXI developers didnt listen and stilll dont listen to the community.

    not to mention no warnings were headed before the launch of worthless FFXIV 1.0
    If I remember correctily the Dev's of FFXIV 1.0 were a different team that what was on FFXI. Yoshi said some where in his first letters that he was going to pull FFXI dev's over to XIV to help out (one can infer that this ment 2 different teams).

    They Have listened, I don't know when you last played but they have listend... took them a fuck ton of time before doing it, all of the last expansions were the dev's responses to the out cry for more content and easier leveling. Which for me were the 2 biggest things as I love having every class/job to max level and armor hunting (preferred armor hunting to end game raiding)

  11. #511
    Quote Originally Posted by Seegtease View Post
    I was sad that ninja's role was strictly tank. For some levels while I was leveling ninja to 37 I said "screw /war, I'm going /rng for accuracy." Spent a bunch of money on shuriken (far more than I'd spend on tanking) and did a crap-ton of damage with them. Sadly, at higher levels, a shuriken build wouldn't work because they were WAY too damn expensive. Which is sad, because that's always how I envisioned ninja. Not being a noisy guy trying to get enemies attention.
    The whole NIN tank thing was just.. ugh. Irritating. You finally get a game with ninja in it, and they just become tanks. GG MMO crowd :/

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    Curse you Square Enix. Just got a mail that read "FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Beta" and got super exited. Then I opened it and it was just a mail telling me to sign up, like I havent already

  13. #513
    Quote Originally Posted by Lillpapps View Post
    Curse you Square Enix. Just got a mail that read "FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Beta" and got super exited. Then I opened it and it was just a mail telling me to sign up, like I havent already
    Same here... My face went from to D: in about 2.5 seconds.

  14. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by Matheren View Post
    The whole NIN tank thing was just.. ugh. Irritating. You finally get a game with ninja in it, and they just become tanks. GG MMO crowd :/
    The thing is, they still were good DDs. Problem is, there was always a massive shortage of tanks and even more of a shortage of healers. I mean basically, you had one healing job, and some others that could heal but usually refused to heal (can you blame them? I mean you don't play summoner because you want to heal).

    Really though, for a tank, all you needed was someone who could wear heavy armor and use provoke. But people got stuck in their ways and yelled "heresy!" at any other suggestions. It was incredibly player driven. It's good and bad. With WoW, I feel forced into a certain spot by the developers, not the players.

  15. #515
    I played FFXI for 8 years, and still have an activate account. I think they did as best as they could with the amount of income they were getting with subscriptions, at least in the later years. While I enjoyed the game, I feel they ruined the economy and events, and thus, peoples' enjoyment of the game trying to relentlessly chase gilsellers.

  16. #516
    Quote Originally Posted by Saxonn View Post
    I think the way I see it is, SE allowed FFXI to be a lot more player driven, utsusemi was not meant to be used the way it was, and if we use WoW as an example, I'm pretty sure that they would have hotfixed it rather quickly to not work at all. TP burning SL and Baha v2 would also have been quickly fixed by many current mmos (Let's ignore AV because that boss was a fucking troll for years).

    I just feel like they had a lot more faith in their player base than current mmo developers and they seem to know when to not listen to stupid suggestions. I haven't played FFXI since Lv75, but from what my friends who still play have said, the whole endgame has shifted to a more lowman group atmosphere which means the devs can obviously change how the game works depending on the player base. If they can have this kind of attitude with the relaunch and not completely ignore all the complaints people have on the beta it should be a success based solely on the Final Fantasy name itself.

    Note: This is purely me being nostalgic about FFXI and wanting FFXIV to be awesome, and probably none of this was actually true or hold any ground.
    I loved FFXI. I was a summoner and enjoyed soloing bombs for easy xp in where Jorm spawned. So many good memories of that game, and then I recall the let down of Wings of the Goddess and the lack luster of content, which made me quit. Still, I look back at that game as a positive. Minus having to compete for hours over Valkurm Emperor and Leaping Lizzy for Gil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAcoreRD View Post
    I loved FFXI. I was a summoner and enjoyed soloing bombs for easy xp in where Jorm spawned. So many good memories of that game, and then I recall the let down of Wings of the Goddess and the lack luster of content, which made me quit. Still, I look back at that game as a positive. Minus having to compete for hours over Valkurm Emperor and Leaping Lizzy for Gil.
    I know they have a new expansion coming out soon for FFXI I haven't played since the last one came out I was a Ninja main and loved the community just hated having to play 8 hours a day to get anything done. I still have my Linkshell video kills for Jorm and a few other "bosses".

  19. #519
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuex View Post
    Anyone know much about the details about the game?

    I mostly want to know if the PC UI (and use of a keyboard and mouse) are going to be abled to be used on the PS3.
    I'm curious as well, but if pushed for what I think will happen, I'd have to say that they are too heavily invested with the new UI scheme for PS3 to allow the KB/Mouse on PS3 to be used. It's a clever idea - hell, even to use the PS3 controller on the PC and get the PS3 UI. That level of flexibility would be amaaaazing.

    But I bet it won't happen that way. Expect the PC UI for PC, and the PS3 controller UI for PS3, and n'er the two shall meet.

  20. #520
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoofreak View Post
    I'm curious as well, but if pushed for what I think will happen, I'd have to say that they are too heavily invested with the new UI scheme for PS3 to allow the KB/Mouse on PS3 to be used. It's a clever idea - hell, even to use the PS3 controller on the PC and get the PS3 UI. That level of flexibility would be amaaaazing.

    But I bet it won't happen that way. Expect the PC UI for PC, and the PS3 controller UI for PS3, and n'er the two shall meet.
    I remember at some point in FFXI they meet... I know I could use a controller on the pc version, and PS2 version allowed for the use of a keyboard, don't see why it wouldn't be different this time around.

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