Poll: Who will win in 1-on-1 combat: Darth Vader Vs Sauron (with one ring)

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  1. #61
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    Lightsaber would cut any weapon or armor sauron would attempt to use. So eventually D-viddy chop up sauron.
    Not true, been said plenty of times in this thread already. Magic > superheated plasma. Besides that there's about a bazillion other ways Sauron could kill Vader with little effort.

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    Sauron would invade Vader's weak mind, with magic, and make Vader lightsaber his own face off.
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    Just as with the Lich King, Sauron receives most of his power from something other than himself.

    With The One Ring he might be more powerful than Darth Vader, but without it, he is nothing. Darth Vader gets his power from within. There is nothing Sauron can do to drain Darth Vader of his power, but Darth Vader can drain the power of Sauron by seperating him from his ring.

    It's like comparing David and Goliath or Superman and Lex Luthor. In terms of sheer power, Superman would win hands down. Despite Superman being the way more powerful one, he has one weakness, Kryptonite (Sauron's ring). Lex knows this, and will make sure to use it against Superman. So, eventhough Superman is better than Lex every way, Lex can still beat Superman.

    In other words, Sauron could be more powerful in every way, but Darth Vader would know he draws his power from the ring. Darth Vader would do everything in his power to seperate Sauron from his ring. Of course this will be hard, but, Lex only has to get Superman close to Kryptonite and he wins. Same for Darth Vader, he only has to make sure Sauron's ring is no longer on his finger.

    One can be so much more powerful, but they always have that one weakness. Voldemort and Harry Potter. Who would win, Voldemort hands down. But, because of Voldemort's hunger for a more powerful wand (his one weakness), he eventually was defeated.
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    1v1 them standing there smashing eachother in the face, Sauron will win. However if its Army Vs Army, The Empire will OWN Mordor

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Statix View Post
    Just as with the Lich King, Sauron receives most of his power from something other than himself.

    With The One Ring he might be more powerful than Darth Vader, but without it, he is nothing. Darth Vader gets his power from within. There is nothing Sauron can do to drain Darth Vader of his power, but Darth Vader can drain the power of Sauron by seperating him from his ring.

    It's like comparing David and Goliath or Superman and Lex Luthor. In terms of sheer power, Superman would win hands down. Despite Superman being the way more powerful one, he has one weakness, Kryptonite (Sauron's ring). Lex knows this, and will make sure to use it against Superman. So, eventhough Superman is better than Lex every way, Lex can still beat Superman.

    In other words, Sauron could be more powerful in every way, but Darth Vader would know he draws his power from the ring. Darth Vader would do everything in his power to seperate Sauron from his ring. Of course this will be hard, but, Lex only has to get Superman close to Kryptonite and he wins. Same for Darth Vader, he only has to make sure Sauron's ring is no longer on his finger.

    One can be so much more powerful, but they always have that one weakness. Voldemort and Harry Potter. Who would win, Voldemort hands down. But, because of Voldemort's hunger for a more powerful wand (his one weakness), he eventually was defeated.
    A few things, one Pre Crisis Superman is immune to kryptonite of all colors, so Lex would never stand a chance against him at his strongest. Two, Vader is a sith, he'd be drawn to the one ring like a bug to a bug zapper. He'd put it on, and become Sauron's servant instantly. Also, Vader gets his power from the dark side, and ultimately it depends on his own emotional state. Sauron could effectively strip Vader of his powers by mind raping him. Don't forget, Sauron is a powerful sorcerer that specializes in corrupting uncorruptable people. Vader's experience with mind domination is very limited compared to the mastery that Sauron has over it.

    And even if Vader magically knew that the ring was the source of Sauron's power, how would he get it away from him? Any direct confrontation is suicide. He would never be able to focus enough to use the force with Sauron in his mind. And after he gets the ring he's extra screwed, as it takes a being of pure good to resist the temptation of the ring. An evil being will fall to the ring in an instant. So even if he took the ring from Sauron, he'd give it back of his own free will a few seconds later.

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    is this ring any good if you had your hand cut off with a light saber and used the fource to slap you with said hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statix View Post
    Just as with the Lich King, Sauron receives most of his power from something other than himself.

    With The One Ring he might be more powerful than Darth Vader, but without it, he is nothing. Darth Vader gets his power from within. There is nothing Sauron can do to drain Darth Vader of his power, but Darth Vader can drain the power of Sauron by seperating him from his ring.

    It's like comparing David and Goliath or Superman and Lex Luthor. In terms of sheer power, Superman would win hands down. Despite Superman being the way more powerful one, he has one weakness, Kryptonite (Sauron's ring). Lex knows this, and will make sure to use it against Superman. So, eventhough Superman is better than Lex every way, Lex can still beat Superman.

    In other words, Sauron could be more powerful in every way, but Darth Vader would know he draws his power from the ring. Darth Vader would do everything in his power to seperate Sauron from his ring. Of course this will be hard, but, Lex only has to get Superman close to Kryptonite and he wins. Same for Darth Vader, he only has to make sure Sauron's ring is no longer on his finger.

    One can be so much more powerful, but they always have that one weakness. Voldemort and Harry Potter. Who would win, Voldemort hands down. But, because of Voldemort's hunger for a more powerful wand (his one weakness), he eventually was defeated.
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  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by igame View Post
    Pretty Sure Sauron would would have his epic weapon from lotr 1, which he swings and wipes out crap tons of soldiers per swing, he could deflect the light saber with it. Also, I don't think the one ring can be removed from the dark lord just by using force..the ring is bound to him.
    Little tid-bit from Wookipedia: Cortosis ore was a very rare, brittle, fibrous material whose conductive properties caused lightsabers to temporarily short out upon contact, although the wielder could solve this problem by turning the blade back on after a couple of seconds. This effect made cortosis a useful material for anti-lightsaber melee weapons, though with repeated strikes, a lightsaber could still cut through it. Cortosis, due to its heat and energy resistant properties, was also resistant to blaster fire.

    Unless Sauron had access to Cortosis, the lightsaber should slice through his mace and armor like it does anything else. Now if he brought the mace down on Vader's head that would probably be GG, but I think Vader would be able to get a mortal stike or two in before Sauron could accomplish this. In the fights in the LotR movies he wasn't portayed as being very agile, more like a juggernaut of death.

    I would have to go with Vader 1v1.

    And to the Empire VS Mordor being an awesome battler.... Deathstar. Orbital bombardment. Bombing runs. Did you see the Na'vi trying to defend Hometree from the humans? I think Mordor would have about that much of a chance.

    I am more of a fan of LotR.

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    Oh and too add to to convo about separating the ring from Sauron - it was done with a broken sword made of metal. Lightsaber not gonna be an issue taking that finger, hand, arm off.

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    Vader.

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    Well lets see, in a stright up, army v. army fight I believe the empire would lose. Endor? Anyone? However, the Deathstar kinda throws the whole fight out of balance. And the dark lord v dark lord fight, I think Sauron would win hand down.
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    Sauron wins. Even if we said Vader had a weapon that was enchanted similar to how Isildur's weapon was enchanted and got in a lucky blow, Vader would eventually give into the one ring and Sauron would win. Sauron can't die and isn't even dead after the ring was destroyed. Gandalf said that with so much of Sauron destroyed when the ring was destroy that he 'probably' will never manifest again.

    I'm not quite sure what happens to Jedi who embrace the dark side when they die, but Vader can die. Sauron can't. Eventually as the lights go out in the universe, Sauron will win again over everyone.
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    Sauron, easily. If you learn some things about Middle Earth and Sauron's powers, you would know that he is in fact immortal. Heck, even in the books where he gets defeated he doesn't die. He just will remain powerless till he is able to wreck havoc on the world at the end times.

    Compare that to Darth Vader who is mortal, have powers that can be matched by some other powerful force users that have in fact died, too, and wears a suit that helps him to breathe, there is no question that he will lose.
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    One does not simply duel the Dark Lord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statix View Post
    Just as with the Lich King, Sauron receives most of his power from something other than himself.

    With The One Ring he might be more powerful than Darth Vader, but without it, he is nothing. Darth Vader gets his power from within. There is nothing Sauron can do to drain Darth Vader of his power, but Darth Vader can drain the power of Sauron by seperating him from his ring.

    It's like comparing David and Goliath or Superman and Lex Luthor. In terms of sheer power, Superman would win hands down. Despite Superman being the way more powerful one, he has one weakness, Kryptonite (Sauron's ring). Lex knows this, and will make sure to use it against Superman. So, eventhough Superman is better than Lex every way, Lex can still beat Superman.

    In other words, Sauron could be more powerful in every way, but Darth Vader would know he draws his power from the ring. Darth Vader would do everything in his power to seperate Sauron from his ring. Of course this will be hard, but, Lex only has to get Superman close to Kryptonite and he wins. Same for Darth Vader, he only has to make sure Sauron's ring is no longer on his finger.

    One can be so much more powerful, but they always have that one weakness. Voldemort and Harry Potter. Who would win, Voldemort hands down. But, because of Voldemort's hunger for a more powerful wand (his one weakness), he eventually was defeated.
    If you know any LOTR lore you will know you are completely and utterly wrong. Sauron is pretty much for a familar term a "demi-god" from what the hell I could understand from Tolkiens other books and without the ring he is extremely powerful, hell he doesn't need the ring it just further enhances his strength, you should also research why the ring(s) were made in the first place as it'd help you understand why he doesn't particulary need it.

    I go for Sauron due to the fact he is immortal and his magic ability. Vader obviously has better 'physical' combat strength (lightsaber dur) "nice mace lul" but Sauron is the sorcerer of sorcerer's and I don't particulary know much about the force in terms of its boundarys and how much it can be compared to magic but...magic knows no boundarys.

    Anyone else voting for Darth Vader should honestly do the same.
    Last edited by Radaney; 2011-11-03 at 08:41 PM.

  14. #74
    Alright, hypothetical:

    Sauron and Vader are dropped into a room, both aware that they have to kill the other person, but neither having had time to prepare. Sauron apparently can't be harmed by Vader's saber. Were Vader to attack the ring with his saber, would that not work? Lightsabers are pretty good at melting things.
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    Question is, where does the fight take place? As for we all know, one does not simply walk into mordor.

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    Well without the death star, my vote will go to darth vader, we all know how powerfull the force is and tbh there's a novel where 2 jedis that are brothers destroy a planet by themselves cause of their anger, so yeah vader ftw!!!!

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=larzCyTk59I

    Darth Vader would pull one of these. Then game over for Sauron.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by kuku2 View Post
    Alright, hypothetical:

    Sauron and Vader are dropped into a room, both aware that they have to kill the other person, but neither having had time to prepare. Sauron apparently can't be harmed by Vader's saber. Were Vader to attack the ring with his saber, would that not work? Lightsabers are pretty good at melting things.
    It takes magic to melt the ring. Alternative methods were considered to destroy it, and they determined all of them to not be viable. This includes having a dragon eat the ring. Gandalf said that there were no dragons powerful enough still alive to destroy the ring with their fire, even the ancient black dragon Ancalagon. Not even the flame of anor would be enough to destroy the ring.

    Trying to destroy it with simple superheated plasma is like trying to blow up a tank with a Nerf dart gun. Magic is what's needed. And even so, Darth Vader would never destroy the ring. Pure good superhumans have fallen to the corruption of the ring. The more evil you are, the harder it is to resist. Someone like Vader, who is both evil, and values power, would be drawn to it like a moth to a flame. He would be mesmerized by its beauty, paralyzed, dumbstruck.

    He would never even consider trying to strike something so lovely. From the moment he lays eyes on that ring he would love it more than he loved Padme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    Well without the death star, my vote will go to darth vader, we all know how powerfull the force is and tbh there's a novel where 2 jedis that are brothers destroy a planet by themselves cause of their anger, so yeah vader ftw!!!!
    Palpatine can destroy the entire galaxy with the dark side, and that's precisely why no sith could ever beat Sauron. His power would seduce them just like the dark side of the force.

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    Depends on which Vader. Classic Vader was more machine than human he would be slower and would loose. However, jedi temple killing Vader would be fast enough but he would lack in wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    It takes magic to melt the ring. Alternative methods were considered to destroy it, and they determined all of them to not be viable. This includes having a dragon eat the ring. Gandalf said that there were no dragons powerful enough still alive to destroy the ring with their fire, even the ancient black dragon Ancalagon. Not even the flame of anor would be enough to destroy the ring.
    they "determined" all of them to not be viable, but how? how could they be SURE a big-ass candle wouldn't melt the thing to slag? just saying "it takes magic to do it" isn't an answer. and even if correct, Force? hello? (for the "Force is science" argument, I offer back Arthur C. Clarke - any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic)
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