Roughly 25% of trials are funded via government and about 42-48% of R&D. Combine that with the patent protections Pharma gets and while most might not be correct the amount is substantial.
If you're talking UHC, that's a different story. Though it has its disadvantages, I find it better than what we have now. And most Canadians will tell you that it's most certainly not free. You pay taxes and you pay for a "plan". (Would be nice for our Canuck friends to chime in on this)
Either way, UHC/Obamacare is not free healthcare. It bugs the crap out of me to hear people say that. Medicaid is the very definition of socialized medicine, and it's not free. Just have a look at your paystub and tell me otherwise.
-Wowhead user on the Lion Horn of Stormwind, an epic from the era of so-called "EPIC" epics.Now, THIS thing? THIS thing is horrible. It's just awful. It was awful at 60 and it was awful at 58. It's awful at 45. If this dropped off a mob in Wailing Caverns when you were level 17 and being run through by a higher level character, you would equip it ONLY because you don't have trinkets at that level, and it would STILL SUCK.
Patent protections are the only reason why any company would spend this time and effort on a drug. If they did not exist, it would not be a profitable business, period.
So whats next them "in the name of protecting the population" should we have college fund insurance? Should we have rape insurance? Should we be forcing everyone to insure everything now?
Its like the cigarette bans, the fast food bans, then its the soda bans, the sugar and sweet bans, the meat ban, the donut ban.
be careful of what you think its ok for TODAY because you may not like what happens tomorrow.
oh, as much fun as i had there, im not saying i'd want to live there. im just using it as an example that most other "modern" civilized nations/countries have figured out healthcare for the most part, and aren't out to screw people out of money like our system clearly does.
i'll give another example: about 7-8 months ago i woke up with terrible stomach pains, and was having blood come out both ends.....pretty horrendous stuff, lol anywho, i go to the hospital (thankfully i had insurance at the time), they run a bunch of tests, stick me full of IV's, prescribe me some pills, and couldnt even tell me what was wrong with me in the end (im not even shitting you on this one, the doctor literally told my brother that went with me that i "drank too much and ate too many redvines", when i had A beer with dinner and couple redvines later as munchies), and that was their answer. although they couldnt tell me what was actually wrong with me, they could send my insurance company a bill for nearly 20,000 dollars (i was there a total of 3 hours, from entrance to emergency room to exit), how is this remotely legit? rofl
im not 100% on universal healthcare being THE answer, i am 100% on the way our current health care system is being run is total shit and needs to be reformed from the inside out. forcing everyone to pay in our current setup of corruption and greed is not the answer, making sure everyone is covered with good and clear intentions, is the answer. like most have said, its a slippery sloap, not in terms of difficulty, but because our system is ran the way it is.
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We don't really pay for a plan.If you're talking UHC, that's a different story. Though it has its disadvantages, I find it better than what we have now. And most Canadians will tell you that it's most certainly not free. You pay taxes and you pay for a "plan". (Would be nice for our Canuck friends to chime in on this)
In Ontario we have OHIP which is "free" (ie, paid for through taxes) and is available to any Ontario citizen. On top of that we also have private insurance companies to cover the shit that OHIP doesn't (prescriptions, non-necessary surgeries, etc.) which is typically provided through your employer.
Not many people that I know of bother getting private health insurance if their employer does not provide though. (disclaimer: anecdotal, so I don't get yelled at later)
Our fees come through taxation, some of which is from income tax and some of it is from the health tax imposed on alcohol and cigarettes.
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Sameer S, Chopra AM, "Industry Funding of Clinical Trials: Benefit or Bias?" JAMA, July 2, 2003.Industry funds approximately 75% of clinical trials in the United States2, and 58% of all biomedical research.3
Dorsey ER, et al., "Funding of U.S. Biomedical Research, 2003-2008," JAMA, January 13, 2010.
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None of what you mentioned is banned. Next I suppose we should be careful about letting gays get married because they'll force you to be gay.
What I expect to see is your level of security clearance; your job position as it is directly related to national security; if you are in the military, what high level rank do you hold or have held that would give you a clear insight on the needs of what the US needs as a military strength.
I still find it incredilous that a national heathcare system can be seen as a negative thing. Everyone has the right to the access of health services, it's one of the services that should be guaranteed to every person in the world (just like Education should be).
The fact is we all live within a particular society, and as a society we have obligations and responsibilities. One of those is to provide healthcare for the members of it's society. It's not a valid argument to stipulate that I as an individual don't want health care so I shouldn't have to pay for it. Fact is you will benefit from other society provided services, be it Education, public infastructure, all the things your taxes pay for. You don't get to pick and choose which obligations you wish to pay for based on the fact you will use them, you're a member of a society and your society requires a range of services in order to function. Take some responsibility and think beyond just yourself for a change.
I wonder what type of world we live in when people feel they have to get themselves incarcerated in order to receive adquete health services. Something is obviously broken when individuals resort to such extreme measures.
There is nothing wrong with national healthcare, I think America in particular has become too capitalist. While socialism in it's extreme doesn't work the same can be said for extreme capitalism. Fact is we have Governments to balance out the problems with greed driven economies, and one of the important roles is to provde services like healthcare.
and that is the root of what is wrong with country now, its like WOW, once you spoil the weak and foster people to not take personal responsibility, it makes the whole society weaker, because the rest of us has to carry and make up for their impotence, already we live in a nation 50% of the population doesn't pay taxes anymore, and its a vicious cycle, people who are dependent on the state just asks for more and more help, more and more assistance until eventually the whole system can not sustain the parasites and the country collapses, this is the direction we are headed.
Go watch Idiocracy go look at the OWS protesters, not a single coherent thought to come out of their brains, just completely brain fried from all the drug abuse, I think the only thing they are good for, the only thing they can accomplish in this world in their lifetime is is to take up space.
stop calling the "obamacare" health reform bill universal health care it is not it's a bill that forces people to by health insurance while also making the price of said health insurance rise drastically