Health care law ruled constitutional

[Wells]

Most drugs have 10 years remaining on their patent by the time they are deemed marketable, and that's with these companies committing to continue Phase-IV clinical trials (post-marketing surveillance on their drug, which could lead to damning evidence and make the FDA reverse the drug's marketability). Claiming that 25% of all clinical trials are funded by the government is an outrageous exaggeration; only the claim that 42-48% of R&D is paid for by the government is more outrageous. The government, if anything, is the reason why pharmaceutical companies have to spend as much as they do over such a long period of time, although it is for the protection of future patients on the drug.

Patent protections are the only reason why any company would spend this time and effort on a drug. If they did not exist, it would not be a profitable business, period.

http://www.biomet.com/corporate/ceoB....cfm?postID=62

Industry funds approximately 75% of clinical trials in the United States2, and 58% of all biomedical research.3

Sameer S, Chopra AM, "Industry Funding of Clinical Trials: Benefit or Bias?" JAMA, July 2, 2003.
Dorsey ER, et al., "Funding of U.S. Biomedical Research, 2003-2008," JAMA, January 13, 2010.

[Marema]

What if I were to tell you that I do not support a universal health-care mandate nor our level of military involvement? Obviously degree of military is necessary for any nation, but I concede that we in the US have far surpassed what is needed.

Please post your credentials so we can all see that you are qualified to make this judgement.

What I expect to see is your level of security clearance; your job position as it is directly related to national security; if you are in the military, what high level rank do you hold or have held that would give you a clear insight on the needs of what the US needs as a military strength.

[Worshaka]

I still find it incredilous that a national heathcare system can be seen as a negative thing. Everyone has the right to the access of health services, it's one of the services that should be guaranteed to every person in the world (just like Education should be).

The fact is we all live within a particular society, and as a society we have obligations and responsibilities. One of those is to provide healthcare for the members of it's society. It's not a valid argument to stipulate that I as an individual don't want health care so I shouldn't have to pay for it. Fact is you will benefit from other society provided services, be it Education, public infastructure, all the things your taxes pay for. You don't get to pick and choose which obligations you wish to pay for based on the fact you will use them, you're a member of a society and your society requires a range of services in order to function. Take some responsibility and think beyond just yourself for a change.

I wonder what type of world we live in when people feel they have to get themselves incarcerated in order to receive adquete health services. Something is obviously broken when individuals resort to such extreme measures.

There is nothing wrong with national healthcare, I think America in particular has become too capitalist. While socialism in it's extreme doesn't work the same can be said for extreme capitalism. Fact is we have Governments to balance out the problems with greed driven economies, and one of the important roles is to provde services like healthcare.

[nogard64]

and that is the root of what is wrong with country now, its like WOW, once you spoil the weak and foster people to not take personal responsibility, it makes the whole society weaker, because the rest of us has to carry and make up for their impotence, already we live in a nation 50% of the population doesn't pay taxes anymore, and its a vicious cycle, people who are dependent on the state just asks for more and more help, more and more assistance until eventually the whole system can not sustain the parasites and the country collapses, this is the direction we are headed.

Go watch Idiocracy go look at the OWS protesters, not a single coherent thought to come out of their brains, just completely brain fried from all the drug abuse, I think the only thing they are good for, the only thing they can accomplish in this world in their lifetime is is to take up space.

[Hedleyazg]

Please post your credentials so we can all see that you are qualified to make this judgement.

What I expect to see is your level of security clearance; your job position as it is directly related to national security; if you are in the military, what high level rank do you hold or have held that would give you a clear insight on the needs of what the US needs as a military strength.

Can I see your credentials so I can verify that YOU are qualified to shoot down his opinion?

[stabetha]

stop calling the "obamacare" health reform bill universal health care it is not it's a bill that forces people to by health insurance while also making the price of said health insurance rise drastically

[Dewragg]

Seriously? If you get alcohol poisoning and your sister or mother or wife or whoever calls the ambulance to save your life, who foots the bill? You? Hahaha. As Mr. Newt said, personal responsibility means insuring yourself so that the rest of society doesn't have to pay for your health issues.

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None of what you mentioned is banned. Next I suppose we should be careful about letting gays get married because they'll force you to be gay.

have you ever walked down a sidewalk in Bevery hills smoking? it's banned. ever give your kids Mc D's for school lunch? banned. hell, give them a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.. thats banned too! wake up friend.... obamacare FTL

[nogard64]

Seriously? If you get alcohol poisoning and your sister or mother or wife or whoever calls the ambulance to save your life, who foots the bill? You? Hahaha. As Mr. Newt said, personal responsibility means insuring yourself so that the rest of society doesn't have to pay for your health issues.

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None of what you mentioned is banned. Next I suppose we should be careful about letting gays get married because they'll force you to be gay.

please please pay attention to the news, especially in California and most schools, maybe I need to explain the slippery slope concept to you further, your on the slope right now and this is you yelling you will never hit the bottom, trust me there will be a bottom even if you can't see it yet.

[Deleted]

Seriously? If you get alcohol poisoning and your sister or mother or wife or whoever calls the ambulance to save your life, who foots the bill? You? Hahaha.

You and your family are one unit. It's not the same as "whole society". And they don't have to help if they don't want to.

So in the end, you get to choose but you get to bear the consequences of your choices.

[Pert]

It is about getting out what you put in. If you put in 50 hours a week, you'll get paid in kind. If you put in 20, you'd get paid in kind, but less than the 50 hour worker. It falls apart when people put in 20 because they don't see the benefit of working that extra 30 to get a marginal improvement in pay. It's why capitalism is a better system, but with its flaws. You can put in 20 hours or 50 hours, the results will differ in capitalism. Not so with socialism. Socialism removes the risk/reward scenario, and is why it's a flawed economic system. That doesn't mean that one aspect of socialism is harmful, however.

My assertion still stands, and my assertion comes with the known fact that total socialism is a failure as an economy.

Could you rephrase? As near as I can tell, you're framing a situation in which you work for 20 hours but get paid for 50, that's not getting out what you put in.

They can do whatever they want. Federal law trumps state constitutions.

Only if the US supreme court rules that the federal government has the power to over-ride the states on this issue.

Please post your credentials so we can all see that you are qualified to make this judgement.

What I expect to see is your level of security clearance; your job position as it is directly related to national security; if you are in the military, what high level rank do you hold or have held that would give you a clear insight on the needs of what the US needs as a military strength.

Are you telling me, then, that the president could advocate any level of military spending and foreign involvement, and that you'd take his word for it without question, due to his position as Commander in Chief?

[stabetha]

stop calling the "obamacare" health reform bill universal health care it is not it's a bill that forces people to by health insurance while also making the price of said health insurance rise drastically

whats next? your family has two cars mine doesn't have any give me one of your cars and still make the payments, keep it insured, and pay for it's maintenance?

[Zaydin]

I forgot, what was the Republican alternative to the Affordable Care Act? Oh right, 'If you get sick, die quickly'.

If Republicans/Conservatives all hate government healthcare/programs so much, each and everyone needs to opt out of their Congressional healthcare if they are in Congress, and opt out of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. After all, they hate socialized medicine/welfare, so they shouldn't be taking the money from the government.

[Dewragg]

stop calling the "obamacare" health reform bill universal health care it is not it's a bill that forces people to by health insurance while also making the price of said health insurance rise drastically

i remember when I first started working where I'm at right now. I been there for 3 years now and when i first started, i had to go through one of those employment referral places (temp places) in order to even start there... its just their policy to weed out the bads. anyway the pay sucked at first till i got hired direct but in the meantime, i was offered the option to have health insurance, BUT it costs 150.00 weekly. thats the only fucking thing i could get because a personal policy is even more. So fuck that i denied it and paid a small "tax' penalty at the end of the year in the sum of 200.00 well "the tax man" got hip and the penalty was just increased to 2200.00 So when you give someone a key to the crapper, don't bitch when they put a coin slot on the door and charge everyone to use it.

[Zaydin]

Only if the US supreme court rules that the federal government has the power to over-ride the states on this issue.

The Supreme Court already HAS ruled on that. We had a civil war over the issue, too. Precedent has been well established by now; Federal law trumps state law.

[nogard64]

and ultimately this is what makes Liberals and socialized medicine so evil, before I wouldn't care if johnny rode his bike off jumps without a helmet its none of my business, (btw a motorcyclist just died over the weekend) if he crashes and breaks his neck becomes a vegetable all his life its on him and his family. well now with socialized medicine guess what? Its the states as well as everyone else's business, because if johnny crashes we will all be paying for it. So then its my duty to monitor your child and what you do in your household because what you do in your own home will have an effect on mine.

This is the evil of it all, this is how a communist society works, share social responsibly equals absolutely no individuality and privacy.

And before you say my example is ludicrous and silly then whats with the persecution of the fat and obese in this country. I don't care if you eat yourself to an heart attack its your own life your own business..... Oh wait I have to pay for the result of what he puts in his mouth now? Well then YOU GET ON A vegetarian DIET FAT-ASSSS!

[Flagellum]

The fine is a tax. If you refuse to pay a tax your wages will be garnished. No one is going to jail.

That's the problem though, penalties are not taxes. The Federal Gov is not asking citizens to give them money, it is making them buy insurance from a private entity and that money does not go into the Treasury. Since this "tax" does not fall under one of the 4 categories (according to the Constitution listed below) that the Federal Gov was given the authority to tax, it is unconstitutional. However, I suppose it is up to the Supreme Court to interpret but to me it is clear as day.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4: "No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census of Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

Amendment XVI: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

[Pert]

I forgot, what was the Republican alternative to the Affordable Care Act? Oh right, 'If you get sick, die quickly'.

If Republicans/Conservatives all hate government healthcare/programs so much, each and everyone needs to opt out of their Congressional healthcare if they are in Congress, and opt out of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. After all, they hate socialized medicine/welfare, so they shouldn't be taking the money from the government.

There's a way for me to opt out of paying into Social Security? Please pass that information along, don't be selfish!

The Supreme Court already HAS ruled on that. We had a civil war over the issue, too. Precedent has been well established by now; Federal law trumps state law.

No, this specific issue, the individual mandate.

[Wells]

I do love how making sure a kid with a broken neck gets care is "evil".

[Dewragg]

Smoking in Beverly hills..probably a city ordinance, not a federal mandate. I can walk down my street in Alabama smoking to my heart's content. Banning smoking =/= banning cigarettes.

Banning peanut butter/jelly sandwich? Must be a city ordinance as well, my kids eat it all the time at school. Again, banning certain foods from public schools =/= banning food.

Slippery slope here we go!

exactly, a slippery slope! it starts as a city ordinance , then goes county wide then state.... but here in Ma. the state, you can not give your kid pb&j for school lunches because of other kids who "might" be allergic to peanut butter...

[Wells]

That's the problem though, penalties are not taxes. The Federal Gov is not asking citizens to give them money, it is making them buy insurance from a private entity and that money does not go into the Treasury. Since this "tax" does not fall under one of the 4 categories (according to the Constitution listed below) that the Federal Gov was given the authority to tax, it is unconstitutional. However, I suppose it is up to the Supreme Court to interpret but to me it is clear as day.

Its pretty clearly under Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

There's a reason there aren't any attacks in court on the law under the taxation clause.