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  1. #701
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Hey "Dude", I know a lot of people that are re-subin in 4.3 for the new content.
    And because you know people that's gonna make up for the 800k lost?

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    Didn't realize they'd gotten Cata already, but that makes sense. Also makes sense that there's a sort of stabilization in the established regions. I think the impact of D3, SWTOR, GW2 and others will be even harder felt now, and I think with MOP & rapidly declining subscriber numbers, people might start to look around for another MMO, which might spur this development even more.

  3. #703
    No worries, I am sure it was mostly Gold Farmers if it was from that neck of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    lol, the 800k loss last quarter was probably chinese farmers quitting over the guardian cub
    So WoW had 800k chinese goldfarmrers? Come on, please, think with a bit of logic. 800k of chinese goldsellers?

  6. #706
    wasn't it 800k subscribers? not trial accounts?

  7. #707
    People would see more expensive ore and crap on AH then and never heard anything about that

  8. #708
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    They're one phone-call away. That phone call was today... and that call said nothing but losses from WoW and a promise for a better tomorrow.

    ...investors don't like to invest in promises of a better tomorrow when their current client is making mistakes today.
    They're one phone-call away from QQing to Kotick who can barely do anything to pressure Blizzard, and who doesn't want to pressure Blizzard because Blizzard is a gold mine, and with Diablo 3, HotS, and MoP all coming out next year Blizzard will probably make more money than the rest of Activision-Blizzard.

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    Eh, I'm one of the 800k that left. I've been playing since launch and just don't really find this game all that entertaining anymore.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like Cata. It is just that this game hasn't really changed all that much over the years. I'm not a big fan of an Asian themed expansion, Pandarens, poke-battles, or BoE pets for gold.. This game's target audience just isn't me anymore.

  10. #710
    Quote Originally Posted by Blimey View Post
    wasn't it 800k subscribers? not trial accounts?
    It was active accounts (which aren't technically subscribers in China). Trial accounts are not counted.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
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    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  11. #711
    Quote Originally Posted by Aristeia View Post
    This is a WoW fansite with no WoW fans on it though
    Yea, you notice that?
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  12. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by 0wn3d View Post
    They're one phone-call away from QQing to Kotick who can barely do anything to pressure Blizzard
    If Vivendi, which owns 60% of outstanding ATVI stock, decides things should change, then Morhaime will be on unemployment that day. The board can fire any of the execs at their whim.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  13. #713
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnorei View Post
    So WoW had 800k chinese goldfarmrers? Come on, please, think with a bit of logic. 800k of chinese goldsellers?
    They said this with every sub decrease, so by the logic of a WoW ''f*nb*y'' (censored to avoid infraction), WoW had 1.7 million gold farmers...

  14. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    If Vivendi, which owns 60% of outstanding ATVI stock, decides things should change, then Morhaime will be on unemployment that day. The board can fire any of the execs at their whim.
    And they're going to fire someone with one of the best track records in the industry? WoW is still making them probably as much as all of the other significant MMOs combined, and they have Diablo 3, HotS, and MoP coming out...

    Edit: A no one seems to factor in micro transactions which have probably made Blizzard more money than the money they are losing from the loss of subs, and have been steadily increasing.

  15. #715
    Given that most of the subscriber loss is from China, and that China is not very profitable for them, I don't think that financially this will hurt Blizzard very much.

    However, it is a huge slap in the face for them, and it would seem they recognize the problem: Cataclysm content (or lack thereof) being consumed too quickly. Now to see if they actually fix said problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabermetrics View Post
    and because Cataclysm content was "consumed too quickly."
    ROFL. That's not so weird if there was hardly content to begin with. Big FAIL on Blizzard's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landin55 View Post
    How much has Rift, Warhammer online, and other mmos lost? You guys make this sound like the end of the world (like you always do =D) but it isn't. WoW won't end till the Titans blow us up.
    That's something that people would rather not discuss since it gets in the way of their argument that their particular beef with Cataclysm or whatever is the reason that subscriptions were lost. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that over the last year all subscription-based MMO's have seen reductions in their subscriber base. This logically leads to the conclusion that all games like WoW are having their problems at the moment and that Blizzard's numbers are only so large because WoW's subscriber base is so much larger than anyone else.

    Whatever the case, there is no one reason to explain all of this; it's a number of things including the state of the economy, gaming culture in the Far East which is very different than NA/EU, the age of the game, not enough content at 85 to sustain interest for as long as previous years, and on and on. It's nothing ridiculous like "MOLTEN FRONT SUCKS!! and that's why people are leaving."

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    Cata was just released in China(in summer I think), how is that possible that they lost most of the players in China? :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixy View Post
    Cata was just released in China(in summer I think), how is that possible that they lost most of the players in China? :S
    Easy. They played it, they found out it was shit, they quit.

    I guess the Chinese aren't as easy to please.

  20. #720
    Blizzard gave us a 5 level expansion with almost no content in it and they're learning now that we can't sit for a year and play that type of content. If they want to release 5 levels of content it better be every 12 months.

    If they release Mists of Pandaria in the summer, I'll be honest, some people will say it's too fast, but... They should announce the next expansion in October. I know that could only be like 5-6 months after Mists release, but, really, Expansions need to come once a year. This games simply too huge.

    And they're going to have to release really cool shit too. They can't just give us 5 more levels and nothing else. Imagine how that would sit after giving us a new race and class this expansion.

    Yep. To keep WoW relevant they're going to need to step up each expansion.
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