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  1. #721
    Quote Originally Posted by plosion View Post
    I'm actually happy wow is losing subs.

    The faster it reaches the 2-3 mil range, the faster the devs will start to cater to gamers again.
    There's a way to do that without letting the population get to that: Fire Ghostcrawler

    Blizzard needs to hire a dev that is not going to skew balance towards the class he/she is playing currently.

  2. #722
    I'm really going to be curious to see the results of MoP beta... I'm really wondering if Blizz is going to come through with their promise of "more endgame content". And it had better equal that of all of 1-60s world revamp + the new Cata zones... otherwise people are going to be REALLY peeved that they're getting even LESS in MoP than they did in Cata!
    "Tell them only that the Lich King is dead... and that World of Warcraft... died with him..."

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    That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

  3. #723
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    I'm really going to be curious to see the results of MoP beta... I'm really wondering if Blizz is going to come through with their promise of "more endgame content". And it had better equal that of all of 1-60s world revamp + the new Cata zones... otherwise people are going to be REALLY peeved that they're getting even LESS in MoP than they did in Cata!
    The other issue here is that people have more or less caught on to Blizzard's way of hyping even the most dull shit like FL dailies. They sold us Cata that way and this time around for MoP I have a feeling that it won't be as well recieved as Cata was initially in terms of sales.

    Nice hole they dug themselves into.

  4. #724
    Quote Originally Posted by LordRayken View Post
    Blizzard gave us a 5 level expansion with almost no content in it and they're learning now that we can't sit for a year and play that type of content. If they want to release 5 levels of content it better be every 12 months.

    If they release Mists of Pandaria in the summer, I'll be honest, some people will say it's too fast, but... They should announce the next expansion in October. I know that could only be like 5-6 months after Mists release, but, really, Expansions need to come once a year. This games simply too huge.

    And they're going to have to release really cool shit too. They can't just give us 5 more levels and nothing else. Imagine how that would sit after giving us a new race and class this expansion.

    Yep. To keep WoW relevant they're going to need to step up each expansion.
    Amount of content is a problem, but simply speeding up the release rate may not help.

    I think one big problem is that gear resets too easily and too often, and so the rewards for getting it are diminished. New content patch with 101 fabulous ways to get new gear? Great! Followed a few months later with 101 ways to make the gear you just got practically worthless? Ummm...then why should I bother to get the gear now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
    The other issue here is that people have more or less caught on to Blizzard's way of hyping even the most dull shit like FL dailies. They sold us Cata that way and this time around for MoP I have a feeling that it won't be as well recieved as Cata was initially in terms of sales.

    Nice hole they dug themselves into.
    And you expect Blizzard to say, "We've got these dailies we created for Firelands but they're really just junk and people are going to hate them"??

  6. #726
    remember something folks. its 10.3 million ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTIONS. there are people who have multiple accounts.

  7. #727
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    And you expect Blizzard to say, "We've got these dailies we created for Firelands but they're really just junk and people are going to hate them"??
    There was a day where the above wouldn't have been asked. There was a day when Blizzard said they were going to something that people will love, durring that time they usually followed through on that promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syce View Post
    remember something folks. its 10.3 million ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTIONS. there are people who have multiple accounts.
    And gold farmers too... they haven't gotten rid of those yet either. ^_^
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  8. #728
    Quote Originally Posted by Pwnasaurus Rex View Post

    Yes, this may very well be the beginning of the end - but that end still wont actually happen for quite some time...
    Depends, you may consider me a doomspeaker but i believe that WoW has a tipping point. More and more people are finding their guild/friendlist empty when they log on. Once a certain percentage of people leaves i think a snowball effect will occur that cannot be stopped unless Blizzard does something drastical.

  9. #729
    I'm not too sure I really understand what all the commotion is about. 10.3 million sounds like a lot of people (or accounts I suppose). That should more than enough for them to keep making new content shouldn't it?

    Or am I just looking at this the wrong way? :S

  10. #730
    Quote Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
    There's a way to do that without letting the population get to that: Fire Ghostcrawler

    Blizzard needs to hire a dev that is not going to skew balance towards the class he/she is playing currently.

    And that doesn't mock its playerbase. Or one that doesn't try to induce its playerbase into thinking one solution is better than another to a problem, by presenting two options, one in a ridiculous way and another in a serious one.

    Ghostcrawler's communication to the playerbase is the worst i have seen in my life from someone in an important place.

  11. #731
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahfireworks View Post
    I'm not too sure I really understand what all the commotion is about. 10.3 million sounds like a lot of people (or accounts I suppose). That should more than enough for them to keep making new content shouldn't it?

    Or am I just looking at this the wrong way? :S
    There was once a lady by the name of Mary Antoinette who thought the same thing.

    A few years later... well, history speaks for itself. ^_^
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    That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

  12. #732
    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    There was once a lady by the name of Mary Antoinette who thought the same thing.

    A few years later... well, history speaks for itself. ^_^
    Well she should have baked a better cake.

    I don't know, as far as WoW though, I'm perfectly happy playing a game that's a little over-the-hill I guess. For whatever reason it doesn't bother me yet. Maybe it will at some point. :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by kojane View Post
    It's just going to show

    "Blizzard doesn't need a WoW killer, they'll just do it by themselves"

    not my words.
    Nah... the real WoW killer is / will be time. It's ridiculous to blame Blizzard after they've created a game that absolutely D-E-M-O-L-I-S-H-E-D the competition for 7 years in a row (and still going).

    Everything ages, including video games. And if they don't age in reality, people's perception might still be that they aged, which is just as bad.
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  14. #734
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahfireworks View Post
    Well she should have baked a better cake.

    I don't know, as far as WoW though, I'm perfectly happy playing a game that's a little over-the-hill I guess. For whatever reason it doesn't bother me yet. Maybe it will at some point. :S
    Have to admit I laughed at that. ^_^

    Yeah, for me as I said in other threads prior - I really loved WoW from Vanilla to Wrath (Wrath being my FAVORITE!) but when Cata came out, they just went total 180 on so many great things I enjoyed in Wrath. As I've also said prior - Wrath actually CLARIFIED for me that there is a core difference between "Time consuming Challenge" and "Fun".
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    That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihyln View Post
    There's a way to do that without letting the population get to that: Fire Ghostcrawler

    Blizzard needs to hire a dev that is not going to skew balance towards the class he/she is playing currently.
    Are you mad? GC is my Hero! He is Blizzard's Honey Badger!

  16. #736
    WoW has grown so large that developers can just sit in cruise control.


    Lets put something in perspective for a second. I'm not trying to antagonize Blizzard but look at what another MMO developer has been able to do in 8 months:

    -2 full blown 20 man top end raids, 1 of which being as big as ICC
    -3 10 man raids
    -Doubling the amount of top end crafting recipes for casual gamers
    -Adding transmorgification 4 months before WoW
    -4 world events
    -A huge new pve zone twice the size of Arathi Highlands
    -Challenge modes to 5 mans
    -Single player or Coop story instances
    -Massive amount of fixes to world public questing
    -Rep grind for world pvp
    -Added a whole new item slot for character customization in terms of set bonuses
    -Alternative advancement
    -I'm sure there is more, but I just listed what is right off the top of my head


    WoW in the same time span you got:

    -Firelands
    -transmogrification



    Now you tell me, what developer do you think is working harder for the playerbase?
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    First of all, Trion had a lot of this content made before the game even launched, so it's rather easy to keep what is indeed a high pace of updates in the first year. If they care about their playerbase so much, makes you wonder why they didn't include at least some of what they had with the original launch.

    Secondly, oversimplifying one part of your statement, just to make the other one look better is a lame way of making an argument. Not gonna bother telling you what you probably already know, but if you check the 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 patch notes, you'll find a lot more than those two updates.

    P.S. Did Trion ever add the open-world RvR zone (related to Scion I believe) that they hyped into oblivion before launch? It was the one feature that lured me in to try RIFT... boy was I a fool for believing them.
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  18. #738
    Quote Originally Posted by Mynsc View Post
    <snip>P.S. Did Trion ever add the open-world RvR zone (related to Scion I believe) that they hyped into oblivion before launch? It was the one feature that lured me in to try RIFT... boy was I a fool for believing them.
    Blizzard lured me in by telling me they plan to include Player Housing for a future patch/expansion. Boy was I a fool for believing them too! :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvallas View Post
    Blizzard lured me in by telling me they plan to include Player Housing for a future patch/expansion. Boy was I a fool for believing them too! :P
    How would player housing be that exciting? x.x

  20. #740
    Quote Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    WoW has grown so large that developers can just sit in cruise control.
    Lets put something in perspective for a second. I'm not trying to antagonize Blizzard but look at what another MMO developer has been able to do in 8 months:

    -2 full blown 20 man top end raids, 1 of which being as big as ICC
    -3 10 man raids
    -Doubling the amount of top end crafting recipes for casual gamers
    -Adding transmorgification 4 months before WoW
    -4 world events
    -A huge new pve zone twice the size of Arathi Highlands
    -Challenge modes to 5 mans
    -Single player or Coop story instances
    -Massive amount of fixes to world public questing
    -Rep grind for world pvp
    -Added a whole new item slot for character customization in terms of set bonuses
    -Alternative advancement
    -I'm sure there is more, but I just listed what is right off the top of my head
    WoW in the same time span you got:
    -Firelands
    -transmogrification
    Now you tell me, what developer do you think is working harder for the playerbase?
    Right. I got banned each RIFT patch... for saying how pissed I was at blizz..

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