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  1. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Mandible View Post
    If you took the time to properly read what I wrote I said that it shows you got minimum brain capacity to do an attunement (not just being able to raid as you simplify it to) - and besides that it shows you are willing to spend the time to be ready to raid at all.
    And gearing up, writing applications, learning your class and actually raiding etc etc, doesn't? Hell...I spent all that time in attunement-free ICC without being ready...

    Attunements = fun for some, but in no way mandatory for driven raiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    One wonders why trolls salute anti-trolling text.
    I really think OP's point did not need my input at all.

  3. #563
    Quote Originally Posted by Mandible View Post
    Blizzard saying "all should be able to see end content" is crap. If people cant figure out how to play then the game just might not be for them, or they just cant raid.
    I really don't get why people hate that raiding is now accessible to people who spend less than two hours a day playing. Seriously, I don't. Why is it bad? Blizzard did not want another Naxx40 where only roughly 10% of the playerbase even saw the inside of the instance, and only around 2% cleared it. All that development time spent for 2% of players to see KT while it was current. And that was a good thing, apparently? =/

    If it's a "special snowflake" problem, then deal with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Precursor View Post
    "Fall of therzane....." ....um what? if that woman fell , god help us it will be the second cataclysm
    Words that lots of people don't seem to know the definition of:
    "Troll", "Rehash", "Casual", "Dead", "Dying", "Exploit".

  4. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by Samin View Post
    Am I the only one who gets a headache reading all the "I agree with everything he wrote" posts? I mean it's a damn long list of very specific things he dislikes...you agree with ALL of it? Really? That has to be some kind of shining... hurts my brain trying to imagine how so many people can just be so much alike. (Yeah I'm an optimist, I assume people are not just saying this to flame against blizzard...that's probably my problem)
    And those are also the same people calling us that agree with Blizzard in a lot of areas (not all), stupid and mislead fanbois :3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcbully View Post
    I really think OP's point did not need my input at all.
    Well I wasn't referring to the OP post, merely the trolling part and the irony.

  5. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    And gearing up, writing applications, learning your class and actually raiding etc etc, doesn't? Hell...I spent all that time in attunement-free ICC without being ready...

    Attunements = fun for some, but in no way mandatory for driven raiders.
    Attunements are fun on paper. And as with all things that are fun on paper, when it was left on paper for a while you tend to forget WHY it was left on paper for so long and start to think "hey you know what we should try again? I don't even know why we stopped using this! It will be totally awesome, man we were so stupid to not think of that right away, it's so simple and awesome."

    Working in software development I have to deal with this problem all the time ._. (we'll never learn)
    Last edited by Samin; 2011-11-19 at 02:02 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashrana View Post
    So, what would be your reaction, if you found out, that come cata release first patch, blizzard were planning to kill everyone by sending a bear through the mail?
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    And when you see them you'll be all like :O and we'll be all like and then people on the forums will still be all like(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zell
    - Ghostcrawler releases a blog entitled “Wow, dungeons are hard!” extolling the virtues of trying to improve – then nerfs dungeons into the ground after the most massive qq fest since Real ID.
    Haha I added upon OP's original thought

  7. #567
    I only see yet another opinionated thread, with more fancy words than usual.
    That's not to say I don't agree with SOME of the points, but presenting this as an ultimate truth is just bad.

  8. #568
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    Zell's points are opinions, the people thinking he's right, AGREES with him...doesn't make him 100% correct, doesn't mean there's not millions of people that would not want his WoW of choice back.
    people like you that don't agree with him don't make him incorrect. you can't claim that your opinion is weighted higher.
    you can't say making any of these changes would make the game better any more than you can say they would make the game worse.


    you can say that millions of people play wow, you can say that instead of constantly growing like in the past wow lost a couple million subscribers.
    you can't say that millions want or need anything without asking millions, i am one of those millions and you do not speak for me, zell does not speak for me either.

    when people make threads about what is great in wow, it's somehow considered useful/constructive.
    when people make threads about what isn't great it apparently needs to be suppressed and it's immediately branded QQ.
    why the difference?
    why does everybody have to love everything in wow to get accepted in this community?

  9. #569
    Quote Originally Posted by ambident View Post
    people like you that don't agree with him don't make him incorrect. you can't claim that your opinion is weighted higher.
    you can't say making any of these changes would make the game better anymore than you can say they would make the game worse.


    you can say that millions of people play wow, you can say that instead of constantly growing like in the past wow lost a couple million subscribers.
    you can't say that millions want or need anything without asking millions, i am one of those millions and you do not speak for me, zell does not speak for me either.

    when people make threads about what is great in wow, it's somehow considered useful/constructive.
    when people make threads about what isn't great it apparently needs to be suppressed and it's immediately branded QQ.
    why the difference?
    why does everybody have to love everything in wow to get accepted in this community?
    you dont but insulting anyone who doesnt agree wwith is not something that will make you loved and presenting your opinons as facts is bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    This is a game, and yet a "a whole bunch" of people treat it with a seriousness that would befit solving the world hunger or saving the planet.

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    Why does this thread still exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creotor View Post
    I only see yet another opinionated thread, with more fancy words than usual.
    That's not to say I don't agree with SOME of the points, but presenting this as an ultimate truth is just bad.
    It's pretty damn close to an ultimate truth for a lot of people. In one neat little package he told Blizzard what a whole bunch of people have been saying for a while.

  12. #572
    I can’t see a skilled hunter chain-trapping mobs, yet contribute strong DPS.
    You can't, but is this really necessary? No other CC class had this inconvenience, and chain trapping still is a skill that you can do (if necessary). Is he complaining about trap launcher or CCing before a pull? Can't even tell. Even still, it's such a small change it isn't worth mentioning imo.

    I can’t see a skilled warrior changing stances to show the extent of that skill.
    This is due to the fact that if you swap stances, you'd have a much higher chance of dying.

    I can’t raid 10 and 25 man content in the same week on my main character.
    The player base was split on this. Some of them complained about doing the same content each week because it was tedious. Now you're complaining that you can't. They can't please everyone and with LFR, I think that's a step in the right direction.

    I can’t stockpile my dungeon currency for when I want to use it now.
    There's no cap on Valor, there is only a cap on Justice. If you mean you can't roll it over for the new gear, there's always been that limitation. Again, I'm not sure exactly what he's getting at here. It's not like justice points are special. Is the cap a bit too small? Maybe, but I've never found the cap on justice points to be a huge inconvenience.

    I can’t engage in world PvP without getting a level 1 whisper insults at me.
    You can. Report them. They'll get banned or learn their lesson. You want a strong community, you have to report the people that break the rules.

    I can’t run multiple endgame dungeons to farm gear for entry level raids.
    You can't? I remember doing a bunch of heroic dungeons to farm gear for entry level raids.

    I can’t spend a night in challenging five-man instances for epic rewards.
    While they weren't "epic rewards" did you not do the dungeons with Cata came out? Did you skip ZA/ZG when they first came out?

    I can't build a hybrid talent spec that fits a unique, albeit potentially odd, niche.
    This is about the only one I can give you, but all it created was a balancing nightmare.

    I can’t build up a server reputation as a good player by tanking for groups.
    Sure you can. Try tanking and leading 10m raids. Baradin Hold is an excellent way to work on building that reputation as well as the old raids. All you have to do is step up and deliver.

    I can’t choose which endgame zones to quest in as there aren’t enough.
    Yes, there was a shortage of quests and zones for Cata.

    I can’t specialize my professions for more expensive, yet exclusive, options.
    You can, depending on the profession (alchemy). But I don't think every profession needs a spec. It makes sense that each BS, LW, etc can make everything, though I would like to see the tailoring specs returned. I don't care for how Dreamcloth works, but that's a minor issue.

    I can't level my guild beyond a daily cap that decimates newly started guilds.
    It doesn't "decimate" a newly started guild. Does it make it harder? Yes, it does. I didn't get on the beginning rush of guild XP, yet I am the GM of a level 25 guild. It just takes work and dedication.

    I can’t do attunements that provide the backdrop to the raids I’m running.
    Attunements are an antiquated method. Gear restrictions in LFR work just as well. I certainly don't miss attunements and I like that the game is more accessible now, rather than arbitrarily held back.

    I can’t do epic group quests that complete zones, like the Cipher of Damnation.
    That some classes could solo with a certain build/spec/loadout and other classes were stuck looking for a group? Hell, there were some group quests in Cata, just not necessarily as hard as that. There are plenty of other challenges in the game though.

  13. #573
    Did the forum just eat my post?

    Ugh, looks like it did.

  14. #574
    Quote Originally Posted by ambident View Post
    people like you that don't agree with him don't make him incorrect. you can't claim that your opinion is weighted higher.
    you can't say making any of these changes would make the game better anymore than you can say they would make the game worse.


    you can say that millions of people play wow, you can say that instead of constantly growing like in the past wow lost a couple million subscribers.
    you can't say that millions want or need anything without asking millions, i am one of those millions and you do not speak for me, zell does not speak for me either.

    when people make threads about what is great in wow, it's somehow considered useful/constructive.
    when people make threads about what isn't great it apparently needs to be suppressed and it's immediately branded QQ.
    why the difference?
    why does everybody have to love everything in wow to get accepted in this community?
    That was a pretty wasted rant, since I've never said any of that. Constructive feedback = I'm all for it, but it's still just opinions and often biased, just like when people love the game.

    People don't have to love everything with WoW, but as we've all seen, a lot of people don't like ANYTHING and still remain on forums to slander and down everything they can. I'm not at all impressed with Zell, his writing or agreeing with everything he writes...but still, he's not the common flamer/troll hating on the game. People have the right to agree 100%, I have the right to question that. Nothing more or less.

    And it's common sense that the MAJORITY of people on this forum, enjoy and stand behind this game. So it's also natural that the people posting negative opinions (again, not facts) will see more resistance than those posting positively.
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    People leave all the time I just don't honestly see why he's any different. I mean it was well written I suppose, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that it's just another I quit thread. When Blizzard starts caring about the individual player instead of a bunch of charts and numbers then we'll see people returning.

  16. #576
    Quote Originally Posted by bcbully View Post
    It's pretty damn close to an ultimate truth for a lot of people. In one neat little package he told Blizzard what a whole bunch of people have been saying for a while.
    But still, not all. This is a game, and yet a "a whole bunch" of people treat it with a seriousness that would befit solving the world hunger or saving the planet. And I can guarantee that if they changed it all back to his preferences tomorrow, they'd lose a lot of those 10.3 million people still playing due to the fact that the game would then be bad in their eyes.

  17. #577
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    But still, not all. This is a game, and yet a "a whole bunch" of people treat it with a seriousness that would befit solving the world hunger or saving the planet. And I can guarantee that if they changed it all back to his preferences tomorrow, they'd lose a lot of those 10.3 million people still playing due to the fact that the game would then be bad in their eyes.
    can i use this as sig ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    This is a game, and yet a "a whole bunch" of people treat it with a seriousness that would befit solving the world hunger or saving the planet.

  18. #578
    Quote Originally Posted by micho View Post
    can i use this as sig ?
    Of course you can if you want to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krid View Post
    Why does this thread still exist?
    Because this is a quality thread.
    Heyoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    But still, not all. This is a game, and yet a "a whole bunch" of people treat it with a seriousness that would befit solving the world hunger or saving the planet. And I can guarantee that if they changed it all back to his preferences tomorrow, they'd lose a lot of those 10.3 million people still playing due to the fact that the game would then be bad in their eyes.
    Yep the train has left the station for OP and a lot of other people. Blizzard can't got back now. They blew it in the 4th quarter. They jumped the shark. Past the point of no return.

    That's what I have been feeling the last few months. Feeling like you win, I'll move on.

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