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  1. #101
    The days of the old style mmo such as WoW vanilla were destined to fail at some point...convenience will always overtake quality after a period of time where quality stays the same/slightly increases yet convenience stays the same and hinders quality improvement. So what do you do to appease more people and draw in a larger crowd? Increase the convenience at the sacrifice of a SMALL minority of players losing some of the things they liked, which in reality were inconvenient and never really necessary in the long run. That is why the LFG was made and many other things.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Jakyap View Post
    raise your hand if you aren't surprised that rogues are dead last such a sad state for our class its been for way too long now.
    sad state? rogues are quite good in firelands and competetive on most fights if they play the right spec, sure they got some under powered specs but that doesn't make them not viable.
    http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/b...?s=4230&e=4516
    don't look broken to me (you can check the other fights too if you think it's RNG or other weeks in fact going further back. So in other words, like xelnath said, if you're doing poorly on a rogue its not cause of imbalance

  3. #103
    QQQQQQQQQQQI ARE WARLOCK!We're not a dying breed, just over complicated. Seriously. Demo seems like it's gotten way too many spellsDestro is the BM/Frost of Locks AtmAffliction, of course is always the best. Always 'just fine.'Every time we die we have about 248 things we have to do to be ready (ok not that much, but the most of any class).....summon demon, armor spell, soulstone, check shards, cookies, soul link, possibly pop a lock portal, dark intent hopefully the resto druid.......no other class has that much to do before an encounter. I can see how we can be 'dying.' We're loved for our Utility, but in the end, can't they also reduce our UI clutter? Say....make it so the Create Soulstone button also uses a soulstone of we have one....and same with cookies. Maybe make our Armor (and mage armos too) persist thru death, but still still have a 30min/1hr duration.

  4. #104
    lol, really? Are 1k "legendary" staves being created each week ?

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by willowe View Post
    QQQQQQQQQQQI ARE WARLOCK!We're not a dying breed, just over complicated. Seriously. Demo seems like it's gotten way too many spellsDestro is the BM/Frost of Locks AtmAffliction, of course is always the best. Always 'just fine.'Every time we die we have about 248 things we have to do to be ready (ok not that much, but the most of any class).....summon demon, armor spell, soulstone, check shards, cookies, soul link, possibly pop a lock portal, dark intent hopefully the resto druid.......no other class has that much to do before an encounter. I can see how we can be 'dying.' We're loved for our Utility, but in the end, can't they also reduce our UI clutter? Say....make it so the Create Soulstone button also uses a soulstone of we have one....and same with cookies. Maybe make our Armor (and mage armos too) persist thru death, but still still have a 30min/1hr duration.
    thats also true, warlocks do very competitive dps in PvE, can be even good at PvP (3v3) and bring alot of utility/buffs BUT, nobody plays them ... so, warlocks are dying breed
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  6. #106
    like said before, I don't see the point of that graph.. All my alts have more than 5k valor points, pretty much defeat the purpose of it.

  7. #107
    I'd prefer to see that graph with the 25,000 Valor Point achievement.. i actually have 2 toons with that

  8. #108
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    Why is it more meaningful to show stats for higher VP? If anything, I'd be more interested to see bars for each class at 5,000, 10,000, and 25,000. Either of them alone is less informative than all of them together.

    That being said though, I don't really see how 25k alone would somehow be more useful than 5k alone. They just say slightly different things.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Nephyron View Post
    lol, really? Are 1k "legendary" staves being created each week ?
    yeah it not alot , your point ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    This is a game, and yet a "a whole bunch" of people treat it with a seriousness that would befit solving the world hunger or saving the planet.

  10. #110
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    Is there any chance of the patch dropping next week or do we really need to wait for the stupid ass PvP season to end?

  11. #111
    ive earned 5k vp on 5/6 of my 85 alts. they shouldve set the vp bar a little higher to sort out the alts imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venteus View Post
    Is there any chance of the patch dropping next week or do we really need to wait for the stupid ass PvP season to end?
    good point i want a answer to this

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-19 at 06:21 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by egeszsegere View Post
    ive earned 5k vp on 5/6 of my 85 alts. they shouldve set the vp bar a little higher to sort out the alts imo
    wouldnt help as i have over 40k vp collected on all 4 of my chars
    Last edited by thunderdragon2; 2011-11-19 at 06:23 PM.

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    The second graph shows you how many new Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest were created each week. The slight decrease in the last displayed week may be due to the frequency of our data updates, so regard it with some skepticism.
    Some of that dip may also be due to people taking a break before 4.3, guilds disbanding, etc. I'm stuck farming normal modes with pugs for half the essences I would have gotten from heroics.
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  14. #114
    World of Hybridcraft. Most of us saw this coming before Wrath, when everyone rolled druids and paladins to compete in arena. Sad really, but what do you expect from a 7 year old game. Prop up the classes with the most utility, push down the ones that are hardest to balance.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by willowe View Post
    QQQQQQQQQQQI ARE WARLOCK!We're not a dying breed, just over complicated. Seriously. Demo seems like it's gotten way too many spellsDestro is the BM/Frost of Locks AtmAffliction, of course is always the best. Always 'just fine.'Every time we die we have about 248 things we have to do to be ready (ok not that much, but the most of any class).....summon demon, armor spell, soulstone, check shards, cookies, soul link, possibly pop a lock portal, dark intent hopefully the resto druid.......no other class has that much to do before an encounter. I can see how we can be 'dying.' We're loved for our Utility, but in the end, can't they also reduce our UI clutter? Say....make it so the Create Soulstone button also uses a soulstone of we have one....and same with cookies. Maybe make our Armor (and mage armos too) persist thru death, but still still have a 30min/1hr duration.
    You can make macros that do multiple things with alt modifiers, etc. It's there if you know how to.

    ---------- Post added 2011-11-19 at 06:47 PM ----------

    I'd be interested to see a more graphs at like 10k VP, or 20K VP.

  16. #116
    What's funny about this poll is that a rogue and me (a warlock) are the top dps in our raid group XD

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    I'd be interesting to see the 50K valor graph!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mnevis View Post
    Aw, I was hoping for a "Class Balance and Dragonwrath" graph, not two unrelated graphs.

    Do one for Dragonwrath by mainspec caster? #Dragonwraths by class and % w/Dragonwrath by Mage/Lock/Shadow/Balance/Elemental characters with Firelands and 25k VP achieves (5k is nothing, my alts get that a few weeks after hitting 85, and all my actually played 85s have killed Rag so just Firelands achieve doesn't eliminate them either).
    I could do it by class, but if you already have the numbers it wouldn't be very interesting. Doing it by spec is harder, as everyone has two specs.


    Quote Originally Posted by tuxedobob View Post
    5000 valor points is a pretty low threshold, isn't it? Most of my level 85 alts have at least that. (And most of my alts can heal or tank, perhaps skewing the results a bit.)
    Yup, just wanted to remove the professions alts and such mostly. People clearly asked for more graphs at more valor levels, so I will try and get that in the followup!

  19. #119
    [QUOTE=Venteus;14282578]Is there any chance of the patch dropping next week or do we really need to wait for the stupid ass PvP season to end?[/QU
    No, it would not be dropping next week in the middle of a major holiday for part of it's playerbase. Patches typically release right around the time PvP Seasons end, but to release it Thanksgiving week would be interpreted by many Americans as "Choose: Family or Blizzard!" much to a resounding tide of QQ. And, I'd personally doubt they'd put themselves willingly into such a sh!tstorm (granted, prior experience may not always hold this as true) as well as have the 'B/C Team' on hand while major bugs get ironed out during said holiday week (as employees likely would have to 'choose' too).

    Besides, what's another 2 weeks? If people are that bored, there are many a game you can otherwise play or even take a mini-sabbatical.

  20. #120
    Maybe my favorite Daily Blink ever.

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