[Australia] Man had access to a whopping 18k* worth of Child porn

[Nekhetyo]

How the hell you get that many pictures? Lol..

1 hard drive dedicated to his child porn probably -.-

Also, you get in trouble for viewing a website of this shit? I didn't think they even existed without being taken down immediately.

A lot of CP is on the so called "Deep Web". Along with assassins for hire and such. Go deep enough and you might find the government firewalls.

[jazen]

Child pornographers and pedophiles should be executed. Sounds like a good plan to me, but I'm guessing we'd screw it all up. Either too broad a defiinition of them, or too narrow. One leads to the 19 yr old with the 16 yr old girlfriend getting executed, and the other to the 30 yr old not being executed because the 14 yr old was willing and in 'love'. The solution is to make me the one and only decider of who does and doesn't get executed.

[Elim Garak]

So what you're saying is a normal man could sometimes have consensual sex with their of-age colleagues or students?

Without any porn. And watching porn doesn't make you want it more than you already do, quite the opposite (if you masturbate).

and the answer was "nothing that wouldn't have happened without porn".

[Drithien]

I'm actually wondering, why would anyone give three figs if a man WATCHES cp. The ones that make it should be punished instead, so instead of putting resources on those who watch it and actually achieving nothing, why not put the focus on those who make it. Sure, he may be a pedofile, but until he actually attempts to do something, is he really a criminal?

Plus, why do people make it such a big deal if someone is turned on by that kind of stuff? Everybody has fetishes, plus wasn't it in ancient Rome that it was actually encouraged?

The reason people care about this, especially the authorities, is because if people didn't search for child pornography, on the internet or elsewhere, the demand for it would drop to next to nothing, and along with the demand the child abuse in such a way. When there is a market for something, that something keeps happening. When the market dissapears, the act does too. So, if none bought child pornography, a huge number of the children violated for that product to exist, wouldn't be.

That of course doesn't mean that paedophilia would cease to exist. Or the harm done to children because of it. But it would be less, much less.

I agree with you on the need for the authorities to work more on apprehending the creators of child pornography. In fact I don't agree with the man getting imprisoned. Prison time will do nothing for him. He has a psychological problem, and should be treated for it, to the extent that that is possible. In prison he will most likely just get worse, due to the in general hostile environment, and the added factor of the possible even worse hostility towards him from the other inmates due to the reason of his imprisonment. When you treat someone bad, you are very likely to bring out the worst in him/her, and in this case his worst is really bad. As verdicts and law systems go, this seems to me like a widely generic approach to a very complex problem, that does nothing to fix things, but seems content to work through a case typically, instead of tackling things at their core.

[Toccs]

Oh, definitely. In much the same was as playing GTA has led me to killing hookers; owning a car has led me to ramraiding shopfronts; going out for a walk at night has led to me running marathons, and also being a vampire; taking my clothes off for bed has led to me becoming a nudist; so shall liking loli lead to child molestation.

Or not, you know.

If you were to take context into the reply you will see that I was referring to… getting off on loli leading to getting off to child porn, let’s be honest it’s not so different and requires little effort to fall into. (a moment of weakness and a few clicks)

So yes could well be the start of a very slippery slope.

[rubyloc]

Making comparisons between enjoyment of violent video games and enjoyment of child pornography and using that to justify one of them as not worse than the other is just wrong on so many levels, come on.
The making of violent video games does not normally include the killing of prostitutes, car theft, or what have you.
The making of child pornography includes... well, child sexual abuse.
If you get off to, and in this case, buy, child pornography you endorse the creators of that material, just like you endorse Rockstar by buying GTA IV.
Payment for service rendered is an excellent motivation for someone to keep providing that service. This is why there will be a GTA 5, and also why the production of child pornography will not halt until any demand for it is terminated.
One way you do that is to punish not only the people who amass it on a large scale (and therefore seem susceptible to start sharing), but also anyone who actively seek it out.
One also punishes the creators whenever possible, obviously, because this is something we as a society simply don't want in existence.
It will never vanish - but damn it if you can't defeat large parts of it.
Obviously this is all on the topic of 'real' child porn, not the animated kind and what form of stimulation/encouragement that offers to pedophiles, that's a different bin.

As a side point - as I imagine there are quite a few 'power users' on these boards, I would think that the opinion of child pornographers wouldn't be too diffuse.
They're part of what gets brought forth as an argument for those damned laws of diminished internet privacy that we loathe, at least over here. Stopping criminal activity online and all that.

Anyway, good riddance to the man in question. To be honest, if you purchase this shit from websites to the extent he did you're the worst kind of part of the problem and deserve a punishment of more than four years or whatever he got all in all.

[ralphie]

I don't condone what he did but at least he wasn't out there raping children. You know, like famous or religious people who do and nothing happens to them.

[Deleted]

Without any porn. And watching porn doesn't make you want it more than you already do, quite the opposite (if you masturbate).

and the answer was "nothing that wouldn't happen without porn".

So you're comparing a basic sexual attraction to a paraphilia?

Well I'm glad we sorted that out. And you're thinking on the very short term (aka 1 day). Masturbating does not reduce your sex drive in the long term....

A better analogy would be if one watched a certain type of fetish porn a lot and they met a partner they liked they would press their partner to let them act out their fetish. And if the partner consents, they will. Again, I'm not seeing how it's any of my business what 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom. You comparing that to pedophilia and child porn is frankly ludicrous.

[Niku]

So what you're saying is a normal man could sometimes have consensual sex with their of-age colleagues or students?

And you're comparing it to having sex with a child? What?

Just what? I fail to understand the point you're making. The only thing I can think of is the scenario of a college professor having sex with a student. If the student is of age there is nothing wrong with the act of sex itself, but obviously the college won't be happy about it and has the right to fire the professor it it wants. If you have an issue with that then get the rules changed, I don't really care either way in all honesty. And again, it is NOWHERE NEAR the same as what a pedofile will do in a situation with vulnerable kids.


As I said, viewing and masturbating to child porn fuels their paraphilia and makes them more likely to try taking advantage of a real kid. That is why it is illegal. That is why even viewing it is illegal. I made no mention of curbing production levels. Reducing production is something I have no real solution for. In the era of the internet and globalisation it's difficult to see how it can be reduced. The point is people who watch it need to be put somewhere safe so that they don't hurt a child.

You believe that people watching child porn are affected by it and might end up hurting children because of it, right?
I believe that it doesn't affect them in the way you describe. They will still have their sexuality, it will remain as it is. Why would their urges die out? If anything you'd think they'd become more dangerous without their relief.

[Elim Garak]

So you're comparing a basic sexual attraction to a paraphilia?

The only difference is the object.

Well I'm glad we sorted that out. And you're thinking on the very short term (aka 1 day). Masturbating does not reduce your sex drive in the long term....
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It does if you do it EVERY day.

[Snow White]

The only difference is the object.

It does if you do it EVERY day.

You're kidding yourself. If watching porn and masturbation alone was enough to quench sexual thirst, than we wouldn't have so many teen pregnancies.

If someone is looking at child porn it is only a matter of time before they seek out the real thing, just like all of you did watching regular porn.

[Karadros]

If you were to take context into the reply you will see that I was referring to… getting off on loli leading to getting off to child porn, let’s be honest it’s not so different and requires little effort to fall into. (a moment of weakness and a few clicks)

So yes could well be the start of a very slippery slope.

I know full well what you meant. My point was that it's a crap argument.

[Elim Garak]

You're kidding yourself. If watching porn and masturbation alone was enough to quench sexual thirst, than we wouldn't have so many teen pregnancies.

If someone is looking at child porn it is only a matter of time before they seek out the real thing, just like all of you did watching regular porn.

1. The children's access to porn is HIGHLY overstated. that's a boogie man for parents
2. Teen pregnancies almost always happen with teens who do not watch porn, also, I do not see how porn is responsible for teens having sex. And pregnancy is parents' fault. Also it's apparent that teens do not masturbate enough. You know why?
3. If someone is looking at execution it's only a matter of time...

[Niku]

I guess my opinion is gonna be attacked because I view pedophilia as a sexual preference and not a fetish.

[Fleckens]

To the people claiming that the person watching shouldn't go to jail because he's not the one distributing it, as someone else already mentioned, if he didn't pay for it, and no one else did, then there would be no demand for it and there would be a lot less children harmed. He may not have harmed a child himself directly, but he is definitely doing it indirectly, which is just as bad.

However with that said, i don't believe that animated videos or drawn pictures should be illegal, as there is no victim. It's no worse than other kinds of fetishes like gore/guro for example, which isn't Illegal, while actually killing or brutally hurting another person in real life obviously is a crime. Also i don't have any proof obviously, but i dare say that if anything, drawn and animated pictures are more likely to reduce the chance of someone actually going out and performing the crime in real life, as you could say they get need fulfilled. Loli is not exactly a fetish of my own, but i feel that it's much more likely that people will get much less interested in real children. A large reason for that is that when it comes to drawn images and stories, they can be made to be perfect, while real life would be nowhere near that.

Also when it comes to 2D(animated and drawn) it's not very easy to find out just how old a person is, as it can depend heavily on the drawing style. It can be very hard if not even impossible to judge whether an animated character is 16 or 18 years old. The same thing can kind of go for real life as well, it can sometimes be hard to judge whether a girl is 17 or 18. Now i don't know if there are different laws depending on how old the person is, i hope there is, because there's a lot of a difference between "child" porn with a 17 year old and child porn with an 11 year old.

[Snow White]

I guess my opinion is gonna be attacked because I view pedophilia as a sexual attraction and not a fetish.

Pedophilia is a sickness. There is something seriously wrong with these people and they need to be locked away in padded rooms or jail cells.

[warhead0]

Didn't even know it's still child porn if it's animated... good to know I guess

[Toccs]

I know full well what you meant. My point was that it's a crap argument.

Keep telling yourself that. Looking at pictures is looking at pictures. playing a game then going out and killing someone is completely different, your replies are stupid and you know it

[Deleted]

You believe that people watching child porn are affected by it and might end up hurting children because of it, right?
I believe that it doesn't affect them in the way you describe. They will still have their sexuality, it will remain as it is. Why would their urges die out? If anything you'd think they'd become more dangerous without their relief.

It makes them more likely to offend, yes. Obviously not watching it doesn't suddenly make the chance 0%, but it does reduce it. Watching and masturbating to child porn fuels their paraphilia and makes them more likely to take the next step. It really is as simple as that.

The only difference is the object.

It does if you do it EVERY day.

By your logic we should have stopped reproducing centuries ago then.

Porn does not suddenly make you think "I never want to have sex, ever". What a load of bollocks. It DOES NOT make you less likely to have sex in the long term. It does not. This isn't up for debate, you are wrong.

If a pedophile who has watched child porn for 2 years gets offered a job at a church or a school, he/she has 2 choices: Either continue watching and not offend, or they can finally get some of the real thing. They can finally do what they've been fantasizing about for over 2 years. They know it's wrong but come on, by masturbating to it for 2 years they think of it as more and more tempting. Every time you masturbate your brain rewards you. Every time they've watched that material they have been REWARDED by their brain for it. What do you think will happen?

[Aqua]

Eugh nasty, I only ever accidentally run into Anime implicated pictures which I think barely qualify and that squicks me out.

I just don't understand... :S

Dude you need help before you do something utterly irredeemable*. Some prison time and some more time around titties afterwards, and restricted internet access...
* Didn't read on to find out if he's actually harmed anyone, if he has then that is the point of no return.