4.3 Retribution FAQ

[Tobley]

wouldn't 4pT12>2pT13 for the simple fact that more damage when it matters and less damage over all is better than slightly more overall damage? Also, since you can pretty much frontload all that extra DPS into phases that might have say extra damage taken, have the effects of guardian, that extra 5s of golem blood, and any other such thing, wouldn't that extra 15s of zeal that's controllable be more valuable overall anyways?

I didn't get 4 piece T12

But yes, especially considering, 2T13 is essentially worthless during zealotry.
I'd guess that on fights where you stay on the target longer though they'd even out.
4T12 is probably better for Morchok though. But really he's a joke on normal and you'll have 4T13 by Heroic anyway.

[Kisko]

Upgraded from heroic 4T12 to LFR 2T13: +634 dps as per Simcraft.

I guess minimal loss of stats (~80) and 15s on Zeal is way less important than another attack generating stable HP.

Yes, lag on it is annoying.

[Spotnick]

Kind of funny I come here to check if I should buy my gloves for 4pc T12 or grab a piece for having 2pc of T13 and T12 lol.

Guess I can simply ask you ;-)

[Ream]

It's not. Exo hits 2x as much as HoW on live.

My clcret string after I'll get 2P:

inqa inqrhp cs j inqrdp exoud tvdp exo tvhp how hw cons

I've been reading that if you put it like that, clcret will suggest that you judge instead of TV at 3 holy power.

According to the authors comment on the curse website, a new update will be up on the weekend which should fix that.

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[Silvercreek]

CLCinfo and CLCret are already updated so you can use jhpnozeal and jhpzeal so you get j down in priority when zeal is active and it's working fine. Just update the addon you are using and we're all set !

[Tobley]

CLCinfo and CLCret are already updated so you can use jhpnozeal and jhpzeal so you get j down in priority when zeal is active and it's working fine. Just update the addon you are using and we're all set !

What website is currently hosting the updated versions?
There doesn't seem to be an up-to-date version on any website I'm familiar with.

Edit: Sorry I found it on Requital's OP.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...Clcinfo-How-To
For reference.

[Jonuts]

Upgraded from heroic 4T12 to LFR 2T13: +634 dps as per Simcraft.

Which doesn't answer the question of which is BETTER. Higher sustained DPS =/= better in all situation. There is the lingering question of: Does the higher sustained DPS beat out the loss of on demand burst damage in importance? I don't know the fights well enough to know if it matters or not, hence the question. If everything had a soft enrage timer where I could front-load all the extra DPS from T12 into a burn phase, it would be well worth a much larger sustained DPS loss, because it's a massive DPS gain during phases where DPS counts. No burn phases that last longer than 20s, or no difficult ones at least? Then 2pT13 is vastly superior. Got both kinds of fights? Might be worthwhile to hold onto the replaced pieces for a bit and use them on fights where you can blow CD's on burn phases that last longer than 20s. Right now, lining up Zealotry with bloodlust is an unstoppable combination. That's 35s of CS-->TV-->CS-->TV.

[Kisko]

- There is no burn phases longer than 20s anywhere in DS

- There is plenty of switches to waste that +15s Zeal

T13 is better.

[Yells]

What website is currently hosting the updated versions?
There doesn't seem to be an up-to-date version on any website I'm familiar with.

Edit: Sorry I found it on Requital's OP.

For reference.

This is from 2010, will this work for this patch?

---------- Post added 2011-12-02 at 02:54 PM ----------

And then I read the last page....moving on.

[Vanderhuge]

Added new links for CLCInfo/Ret from Curseforge and Req's guide to CLCInfo. To back up Kisko's point, the only "burn" phases that last longer than 20 seconds in Dragon Soul are during Madness, where the 2P T13 triumphs due to the length of the fight. Madness also has the benefit of having Mutated Corruptions, the 4th Cataclysm, and the final burn all line up with 2 minute cooldowns, but you still end up wasting a good chunk of that extra Zealotry time.

[Eurytos]

im very confused on the priority right now. why is tvhp not the first thing after inq?

shouldnt the priority look more like this?:

inqa inqrdp inqrhp tvhp cs jhpnozeal tvdp exoud exo how hw cons jhpzeal

i dont know why im so confused on this, but this just seems to look better.

[Veliane]

Scratch that, I had mistaken your post for TVDP.



Your rotation is Almost right.

inq a -> inq rdp -> inq r hp -> tvhp -> cs -> j -> tvdp -> exoud -> exo -> how -> jzeal -> hw -> cons

Would be the right version.

[Jonuts]

- There is no burn phases longer than 20s anywhere in DS

- There is plenty of switches to waste that +15s Zeal

T13 is better.

Awesome. Answers my lingering questions

[Chimeling]

Ty for this.

[kath01]

Can we please sticky this?

[Bonkura]

Does my spec/glyphing changing at all?

You should be using the following setup: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#sbhMZM...szfz:RMobMc0mz

There is no point in using Repentance in a raid environment. The last point should clearly be spent in Divinity.

Upgraded from heroic 4T12 to LFR 2T13: +634 dps as per Simcraft.

I guess minimal loss of stats (~80) and 15s on Zeal is way less important than another attack generating stable HP.

Yes, lag on it is annoying.

I got ~1500 more dps in SimCraft going the other way than you from 4x378 to 2x397+2x378. Was also surprised to see 2pt13 much better than 4pt12 but I guess you proved it better. :-)

[anaxie]

My list is pretty outdated, update neck, Cloak, Relic with Valor 397 ones. Also Bone Link is going to win so don't be silly and add it to the list. I mean, It undeniably going to be BIS on Yorsaj, Spine, and Madness with the excessive amount of adds.

---------- Post added 2011-12-04 at 12:56 AM ----------

- There is no burn phases longer than 20s anywhere in DS

- There is plenty of switches to waste that +15s Zeal

T13 is better.

I QUICKLY noticed this, needless to say I was releived to obtain 397 chest and head first week.

[Chimeling]

Sticky!

10char

[Feinyr]

/bookmarked
Keep up the good stuff!

[berrylicious]

There is no point in using Repentance in a raid environment. The last point should clearly be spent in Divinity.

Selfless Healer is a better option IMO. If you need to clutch heal, chances are you'll use WoG more than any thing else.