GamePro crappy opinion on SWTOR

[Krimzin]

Not needed.

[ZeroWashu]

Okay, I watched the whole video and I have to say, what did their group of people have to say that hasn't been hashed out on these forums over and over again?

The guy on character creation was correct, it is the SAME face regardless or race, sure you have some danglies here and there but it gets creepy with the twils. You also get to see your character fully covered in armor and then play without any.

We have had people here who skip through all the dialog and those that don't, so did the video. Seems its about the same as the forums.

Simple fact, if it were not for Biowares Companion system and Voice acting combined with Star Wars IP this game would be toast, I would go as far as saying without the Star Wars IP it would be a flash in the pan

[Elobi]

Hahaha .. this is awesome !

I'm well aware that the game has plenty of flaws, but these guys are clueless.


HEY I SPENT 5-7 HOURS PLAYING 3 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS ...

Thats like playing 5 min of each role/class in BF3 - and then saying the rewards you get from playing alot it shit.

I PLAY BLUE SIDE ..... companions are cool, even though haven't had one yet.. ffs.

These guys deserve atleast a bag of internet and a batch of cookies! Ty for making my day a little less retardet..

[Xiphan]

Seemed like an okay review. Very subjective rather than objective but certainly not worthy of such hate. The article dissecting the review on the other hand was terribly frustratingly written.

[Poodles]

When the people reviewing say that they've only "played for a couple of hours" they're not even into the meat of the game yet. May I remind people that couple = 2, so 2 hours of play and I bet 20-30 minutes of that was character creation.

Regardless, it wasn't a good review as it was missing any sort of outline and counter points. Even if it was a positive review it wouldn't be good because it wasn't very coherent.

Comparing it to WoW is obvious. The controls are identical (why remake the wheel?) so the comparison is obvious. The obvious issue here is that they want to level fast like in WoW, when just like vanilla WoW, the point was to enjoy the journey.

[Crowe]

"What's all this story in my MMO!? I want to kill things, damnit!" That's basically what some of them were saying, and this is a BioWare game! It's ridiculous. People out there don't like SWTOR. Awesome. They want to stick with WoW or play GW2. Great. I played WoW for over 5 years. It gave me many hours of enjoyment, many friends, and many in-game accomplishments. I don't hate it. I loved it (just not the direction it's going), and I love the aspects of WoW that can be found in SWTOR. I also plan to try out GW2, since it doesn't have a sub, with an open mind.

Something the reviewers obviously did not go into this with.

No, the verdict of the review was "We're on the fence on this one, we suggest you try it for yourself". I don't recall anyone ever complaining about the fact that the game had a story. What they pointed out was that not everybody cares that much about story (at least 10-20%, according to this poll: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...er-skip-anyway ) and that these type of player might get annoyed by the excessive number of cut-scenes.

Sitting through up to 7 minutes of dialog every one in a while really isn't everyone's cup of tea. You must accept that. Saying "it's a Bioware games and people should expect that" is a ridiculous statement in that context. Saying they should play something else is just as stupid because this is a review and exactly what it's trying to evaluate. Is this game worth playing or not?

[Noahsmith37]

Wow, normally I appreciate some of Gamepro, especially their Lamepro that they do, but this almost seems like one of their sarcasm or parody type videos. It also reminds me of a lot of reviews I saw for Saints Row 3. This guy clearly didn't understand, nor like anything about the Old Republic, so I guess he also isn't a fane of Star Wars. Those things are perfectly fine, but I also think that it is kind of like being picked for a jury, if you have pre-conceived notions about a game, I think you have no right to write a review for it.

[Crowe]

There was no structure to the review. Had they all reached the same level and played for the same amount of time it would have been a more fair review but for a game's reviewer to provide a review after playing for literally 1-2 hours is stupid.

That's the whole point of having diverse reviewers.

You had the guy who got bored after 7 hours.
You had the gril who played 6+ months.
You had the girl who played Republic.
You had the girl who played Sith.
You had someone who played the Smuggler.
You had someone who played Sith Warriors.
etc.

That's the whole point of having diverse reviewers to give you a somewhat objective look at the game. If everyone had played for 20 hours, they'd all have seen the same content, done the same things and probably had similar opinions about much of the game. This is not fair and objective.

[Tyfrax]

No, the verdict of the review was "We're on the fence on this one, we suggest you try it for yourself". I don't recall anyone ever complaining about the fact that the game had a story. What they pointed out was that not everybody cares that much about story (at least 10-20%, according to this poll: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...er-skip-anyway ) and that these type of player might get annoyed by the excessive number of cut-scenes.

Sitting through up to 7 minutes of dialog every one in a while really isn't everyone's cup of tea. You must accept that. Saying "it's a Bioware games and people should expect that" is a ridiculous statement in that context. Saying they should play something else is just as stupid because this is a review and exactly what it's trying to evaluate. Is this game worth playing or not?

Those people have NO reason to be annoyed, and here's why.

1) it's a STORY DRIVEN MMO, it's one of the major selling points, story.
2) Don't like cutscenes? see above

[Elobi]

Okay, I watched the whole video and I have to say, what did their group of people have to say that hasn't been hashed out on these forums over and over again?

The guy on character creation was correct, it is the SAME face regardless or race, sure you have some danglies here and there but it gets creepy with the twils. You also get to see your character fully covered in armor and then play without any.

We have had people here who skip through all the dialog and those that don't, so did the video. Seems its about the same as the forums.

Simple fact, if it were not for Biowares Companion system and Voice acting combined with Star Wars IP this game would be toast, I would go as far as saying without the Star Wars IP it would be a flash in the pan

So your saying, based on your extensive end-game knowledge, that if this wasnt star wars, but say a world of dragons and zombies, this game would fail?
Because other known mmo's doesnt have ugly characters or lame parts that people want to skip.

At least you have the choice to be a part of the story.

I'm not playing the game because of the story, that wasn't the reason I pre-ordered.
I spam space and 1 when I'm in dialogue whilst lvling.

Every now and then, I lid a fag and watch the dialogue. I like that. I can quests as usual or sit down and chill with it.

[carebear]

They all look like absolute mongs.

Considering 3 of them bearly touched the game, 12 hours, 7 hours and "a couple hours" isn't enough time to give a game a review IMO. It took me more than a weekend beta test to like the game but I gave it a chance. I didn't go "LOL THIS IS NOT VERY GOOD. NOPE NOT PLAYING."

As for the cut scene hate; it's an MMORPG.
The game isn't perfect no, it has plenty of flaws but don't sit there and slate a game because you aren't the style of player that doesn't like story lines when the whole game is based on its story. Jeez.

[Trojan7evin]

I could give a better review for a game xD

[harkonen]

Yeah, I am getting pretty tired of people bashing the game for doing what it set out to do, offer a polished traditional mmo with great story. Its like bashing starcraft 2 for being a traditional, but polished RTS. That is what it is supposed to be...

If you want a mmo with story you can skip and grind all the time, they are out there, go play those. TOR is there to bring bioware's great single player experience to a multiplayer space. Sure we all want to see some games that are original and try new things, but a game like TOR with its huge investment had to play it safe in many ways.

If you cant let your inner child out and immerse yourself into a story, just forget TOR, please, and play something else. Myself I was like a kid on christmas morning, because I was just soaking up the atmosphere and story. I am not even a huge star wars fanboy, I just love the atmosphere of the films and that has translated very well to this game.

[Crashdummy]

You know what the least professional thing is about this thread?

The responses.

You criticize a review because you disagree with the result? That unprofessional for you right there.

The review listened to the feedback of 4-5 different players, all who gave their own, personal opinion. Of course it was biased, just like everyone's opinion is. Just like your opinion is.

I for one agree with some things they said, and disagreed with others.

Considering their verdict was "go try it and make up your mind for yourself" I think there is little room to hate on them. But you guys still insist on nitpicking single comments, quoting them out of context, just to forward you own personal agendas.

Its unprofessional to do a review of a game based on a 1% of the game experience, which would be the first lvls of a single class.

Many of those didnt even got a companion, let alone start talking about crew skills, crafting, the actuial story, PVP (NONE of them has done any PVP at that lvl, maybe the one that got to 13).

This is not a review in the first place.

[WoWGoneBad]

Are 5 hours enough to give a fair review of the game. Certainly not. But that guy was only part of a more complete review.

The review reflected the opinions of various different player types of various different backgrounds. We had the ex-WoW player who got bored after 7 hours and we had the committed player who'd been playing for the past 6 months (or whenever the F&F Alpha begun). I think that's a pretty fair sample.

Also, saying you need to be level 50 to make a fair assessment of the game is ludicrous and unrealistic for a game-reviewer. It's like saying somebody should complete ALL quests in Skyrim before reviewing the game. Fact is, you don't need to spend more than double-digit hours in an MMO to get a fair idea of how it will play out. Sure, ideally they should cover all different pillars of play, PvP, Questing and Raids, but asking them to play every character to max level before giving an opinion is dumb.

The reviewers even tell you how much time they invested in the game just SO you can weigh their opinions accordingly. If you don't think 7 hours of play-time qualifies him, then ignore his opinion and listen to the woman who's been playing for 6 months. THAT's EXACTLY WHY THEY TELL YOU HOW MUCH THEY PLAYED.

In fact, if you scroll down the SWTOR forums a little you'll find a poll that asks if people skip cut-scenes. Only about 2/3 actually watch them all the time. So there are a significant number of people out there who really don't care that much about the plot. You must accept that, even if you're not one of those people. And that's probably the type of player who the British guy was speaking for.

ok exact quote Karen "i have been playing SWTOR beta since friends and family beta AND (i repeat his word again) AND the media beta. so what that tells you is that she HAS NOT played the whole time only those 2 betas. sos yea her opinion does not carry much weight. 2nd the most time any of them had ingame is 15HOURS that what just getting off starter planet. Also she reffered to the REPUBLIC as the Blue side "ALLIANCE" and the Sith as the Red side, did she really have any want to review this game.

the Brit couldnt even look at the camera almost the WHOLE vid he was on and mumbled the whole time

HELL that Eric Krap (dang Sapp) guy played 3 classes in ONLY a few hours, what kind of lvling can that accomplish except to see each classes beginning story and a few lvls

did ANY OF THEM have a companion other than Kat,

did ANY of them try the ACs to see how well they played

did ANY of them try the PvP

did ANY of them use the talent system at all

ALL other reviews from EVERY MAJOR media and gaming site has tried ALL of these aspects of the game and MORE so yea these guys just wanted to get their last bit of online vid fame before they all got canned. I am sory that they lost their jobs but to go out like that was just sad.....very sad.

these people did NOT want to do the review and rather than do a professional review of a game (i dont care if they did have mostly negative and backed it up) they sat there like crying 5 year olds and bashed a game just before they went the way of the Do-Do

[Mteq]

let me start of by saying: who the fuck is gamepro?

secondly, you cannot REVIEW a BETA game. its called a PREVIEW.

and now for some more interesting notes:
- black haired women calls it "blue faction".........nuf said.
- 5 minutes in, blond haired women talks about smuggler, they show bounty hunter foutage...superb!
- 5 and a half minutes in...same girl talks about the lightsabers...it REALLY gives the star wars vibe. yeah...because that's what it's all about...lightsabers. not the setting, the different type of aliens, the bounty hunter (boba fett) smuggler (han solo) etc and so on and so forth.
- 6 minutes in. black haired girl is telling she is excited about the companions. even though she has not gotten there myself. you get a companion at frecking level 8. how can you review a game...if you haven't even finished the newbie zone.
- 6:10..wait did she say couture? this is not America's next top model missy. GTFO. (i know she said KOTOR. just bashing at this point )
- 6:55 blond girl comments about story which again clearly underlines her complete lack of understanding star wars. can someone tell her that the good movies are NOT episode 1 through 3? i get the feeling she just wants jar jar to run up and say: me no like hunting, you go get fat gumba's from bossman." or w/e
7:34 - no, you can't. you don't have a clue. you really don't. go back to wow then and fight pigs and pigmen. we'll fight gangsters and have epic space battles and such. oh and dude..."straight out of the gate" look at me when your talking, you daft ****, or is your autoque on the floor?
-08:00 wait..what? didn't you start the review with saying you just wanted the quest and go? and now your complaining it turns into a grind....erm..what?


im not surprised they're being taken down.

[Kyira]

Sheldon Cooper has a message for the people in that review

[Kirbysdance]

LOL at the article reviewing the review. So now I'm going to review the article that reviewed the review of the beta. 1/10! Why? Because it's all opinion and subjective. I disagreed with a lot of their points, specifically about the cutscenes, but what about the phrase "Do each their own"? If he didn't like it, demanding that he change his opinion is silly. And yeah, as other people said, they didn't say the game was crap, they said to try it out and see if you like it. In that respect, it wasn't much of a review at all, more like a few people just giving their opinions on the game. If anything, it was a recommendation to buy the game, to see if you like it.

Apparently the only valid review of TOR includes saying it's the best thing ever, and will totally kill WoW and revolutionize not only MMOs, but gaming, and entertainment, and life as well!

By the way, I have preordered TOR and am super excited to play it. But that doesn't mean I feel the need to defend it constantly. I think the game is fun, so it's fun for me. If it's not fun for someone else, that's okay. I don't flame my friends because they don't have fun on roller coasters. If you like TOR, this video shouldn't matter. If you hate TOR, this video shouldn't matter. It should only really matter to people on the fence, and like I said, they recommended playing the game, so what else do you want?

[unholytestament]

That's the whole point of having diverse reviewers to give you a somewhat objective look at the game. If everyone had played for 20 hours, they'd all have seen the same content, done the same things and probably had similar opinions about much of the game. This is not fair and objective.

Everyone who plays a game for 20 hours has similar opinions of it? What?

[MorTvicR]

Yeah, I am getting pretty tired of people bashing the game for doing what it set out to do, offer a polished traditional mmo with great story. Its like bashing starcraft 2 for being a traditional, but polished RTS. That is what it is supposed to be...

If you want a mmo with story you can skip and grind all the time, they are out there, go play those. TOR is there to bring bioware's great single player experience to a multiplayer space. Sure we all want to see some games that are original and try new things, but a game like TOR with its huge investment had to play it safe in many ways.

If you cant let your inner child out and immerse yourself into a story, just forget TOR, please, and play something else. Myself I was like a kid on christmas morning, because I was just soaking up the atmosphere and story. I am not even a huge star wars fanboy, I just love the atmosphere of the films and that has translated very well to this game.

Well put, but what makes me smile is that I know its good I played it And i know whats good or bad, its a really good game, And i haven't been this excited too play a game since The Ocarina Of Time