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    US senate declares the entire usa to be a battleground-The US constitution is gone

    http://newsvoice.se/2011/12/02/us-se...-battleground/

    In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America.
    Text: Mike Adams | Also watch this video: The US Constitution is gone
    The National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”
    Bill Summary & Status, 112th Congress (2011 – 2012) | S.1867 | Latest Title: National Defense Authorization Act for =
    This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a ”battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.
    Even WIRED magazine was outraged at this bill, reporting:
    Senate Wants the Military to Lock You Up Without Trial
    …the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.” Source

    The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the ”legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!
    If you have not yet woken up to the reality of the police state we’ve been warning you about, I hope you realize we are fast running out of time. Once this becomes law, you have no rights whatsoever in America — no due process, no First Amendment speech rights, no right to remain silent, nothing.
    Text: Mike Adams
    Also watch this video: The US Constitution is gone
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    Riveting stuff from the foremost authority on American civil rights.... Sweden?

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    At the rate things are going with Obama Sweden will be better at American Civil Rights than our current President, and he's supposedly a "Constitutional Scholar"

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    What an overwhelming and painful exaggeration. Must've really wanted a scary headline.

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    ... so my hopes that they will wise up about the piracy bill is gone...

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    http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/com...7_subsections/

    Even if this sensationalist journalism was actually true, it would never hold up in any court of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg265 View Post
    http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/com...7_subsections/

    Even if this sensationalist journalism was actually true, it would never hold up in any court of law.
    And there ya go, OP.

    This is what happens when people don't read the entirety of things like this and just assume everyone is retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caiada View Post
    And there ya go, OP.

    This is what happens when people don't read the entirety of things like this and just assume everyone is retarded.
    Kinda like this post?
    Quote Originally Posted by z0phi3l View Post
    At the rate things are going with Obama Sweden will be better at American Civil Rights than our current President, and he's supposedly a "Constitutional Scholar"
    In the news, the President creates and passes bills all by himself!

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    No surprise, I thought for a while that the US is not fully a democracy but rather a hidden authorian regime. This kind of proves it. Even if said bill doesn't affect the US citezens, it still means that the US can take and torture any person they want outside the US, so it violates several UN agreements. So overall a law to better control the people. Funny, USA and Russia always annoy eachother and both claim how they're democratic and stuff, yet they're about the same. It's sad really, but nothing new, USA did several similar stuff before, the Big Stick doctrine or the Monroe one for example even if not reflecting to USA citezens reflected on citezens of the Americas, something that now didn't leave USA standing well with the countries around there.

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    This isn't law yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0phi3l View Post
    At the rate things are going with Obama Sweden will be better at American Civil Rights than our current President, and he's supposedly a "Constitutional Scholar"
    At the rate things are going with uneducated Americans we will have devolved into a country of mindless rodents. Educate yourself on the process of legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chonogo View Post
    In the news, the President creates and passes bills all by himself!
    Well said Chonogo. And in case its not obvious that is sarcasm. The president has almost no role in legislation other than to veto or sign it. He does not draft it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    This isn't law yet.
    does it matter? I mean as it currently is they are ignoring what the bill of rights says is given to all persons by calling them enemy combatants... And even then they can just call a citizen that, or wasnt that how they justified killing Al'Awlaki?

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    Btw, you can be considered a terrorist suspect if you have 7 weeks worth of food rations, weatherproof ammunition or multiple firearms.

    Or so I am told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    Btw, you can be considered a terrorist suspect if you have 7 weeks worth of food rations, weatherproof ammunition or multiple firearms.

    Or so I am told.
    what if you just have a love for guns and there was a sale of canned food at walmart!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    does it matter? I mean as it currently is they are ignoring what the bill of rights says is given to all persons by calling them enemy combatants... And even then they can just call a citizen that, or wasnt that how they justified killing Al'Awlaki?
    Many many terrible laws pass in one chamber or the other all the time.

    Don't worry until its on the president's desk.

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    isn't even a law at all yet. learn how legislations are passed in the US.
    nice hyped up headline though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post
    Btw, you can be considered a terrorist suspect if you have 7 weeks worth of food rations, weatherproof ammunition or multiple firearms.

    Or so I am told.
    If you're stockpiling firearms you might catch the notice of the FBI. Not entirely unreasonable either given our history of militia problems.

    Pretty much what it would mean would be a phone call from the FBI and a little bit of checking to make sure you're not gonna go nutso and then good day.

    Nothing serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Many many terrible laws pass in one chamber or the other all the time.

    Don't worry until its on the president's desk.
    im just curious how they justified the patriot act, i know its only applicable to foreign nationals, but dont your bill of rights say person and not citizen... So they just use another definition being "enemy combatant" and then its all good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    what if you just have a love for guns and there was a sale of canned food at walmart!?
    Well, you can try explaining that when you're shipped to some secret prison who-knows-where around the world. You'll have an "infinite" amount of time, so no hurry.

    It's funny that it's some of the democrats and the tea party republicans who are most opposed to this. Especially Rand Paul has taken the gloves off to strike it down.

    Also inbefore: "If you haven't done anything wrong you got nothing to worry about".

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    It was hard to tell from this article whether one house of congress passed a poorly worded bill, or the entire government mobilized to create skynet to doom us all.

    1. The wording (vaguely) exempts citizens.
    2. Posse Comitatus never banned US military action within borders, it just required explicit congressional approval (which this bill seeks to expand to the executive branch).
    3. Even if 1 weren't true, Habeas Corpus is a constitutional right, which still overrules any federal laws.

    I don't like the bill at all, but lets keep this in context, folks.

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