US senate declares the entire usa to be a battleground-The US constitution is gone

[Remnas]

If I read correctly, he did not veto on the grounds that there is a section specifically stating that US citizens are exempt from this.

Sec. 1031 (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

I could be wrong, but that's what looks like to me.

[Cranica]

If I read correctly, he did not veto on the grounds that there is a section specifically stating that US citizens are exempt from this.

Sec. 1031 (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

I could be wrong, but that's what looks like to me.

That's from section 1031, the portion quoted in the OP is 1021. Since it says "this section", I presume it doesn't affect the clause in question.

[Maharishi]

There is a thread on it already, merging.

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If I read correctly, he did not veto on the grounds that there is a section specifically stating that US citizens are exempt from this.

Sec. 1031 (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

I could be wrong, but that's what looks like to me.

From http://www.infowars.com/indefinite-d...o-obamas-desk/

Three of the bill’s primary sponsors, Senator Carl Levin, Senator John McCain, and Senator Lindsey Graham, said it does during speeches on the Senate floor.
“It is not unfair to make an American citizen account for the fact that they decided to help Al Qaeda to kill us all and hold them as long as it takes to find intelligence about what may be coming next,” remarked Graham. “And when they say, ‘I want my lawyer,’ you tell them, ‘Shut up. You don’t get a lawyer.’”

Apparently the Obama administration requested the 'Infinite detention' clause as well. They're the bad guys.

Also, side note, Graham should get a recall election for that last sentence.

[Deleted]

Here are some MTV ads on this issue. Pretty powerful stuff:

[Caiada]

Also, side note, Graham should get a recall election for that last sentence.

If his constituents have any sense at all, which is unfortunately debatable, he's screwed. Saying the equivalent of 'screw the Constitution' is.... kind of sickening.

[xGLxAnubis]

If the bill in any way disallows you legal representation or if it allows you to be detained indefinitely, it's unconstitutional and will be overturned in the Supreme Court. This is Bill of Rights shit which applies to all citizens, so short of AMENDING the Bill of Rights (lol), I don't see this bill going very far.

[MAGAmobile]

If the bill in any way disallows you legal representation or if it allows you to be detained indefinitely, it's unconstitutional and will be overturned in the Supreme Court. This is Bill of Rights shit which applies to all citizens, so short of AMENDING the Bill of Rights (lol), I don't see this bill going very far.

That's not the point. The fact that it HAS even gotten to this point speaks massive volumes to how corrupt our government is and how little people seem to give a shit about it with all the media bullshit going around. Stuff doesn't just change without acting, which people seem to think it does.

[Maharishi]

If the bill in any way disallows you legal representation or if it allows you to be detained indefinitely, it's unconstitutional and will be overturned in the Supreme Court. This is Bill of Rights shit which applies to all citizens, so short of AMENDING the Bill of Rights (lol), I don't see this bill going very far.

The two constitutional items that would conflict are

Ammendment IV:" In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial"

However, in this case they aren't being prosecuted, they are being detained. Enough of a loophole for a legal arguement.

Article 9: "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

The bill is specifically written to attack this, by making America a "battle ground" thus invaded.

Don't be so quick to dismiss this as impossible.

[Niku]

Cmon guys, it's time you rise up over there and overthrow your corrupt Government, the bankers and the IRS.

[Catta]

oh so its just foreigners who can be indefinetly detained without a trial, then everything awesome... the constitution doesnt seem to be worth the paper its written on

[Deleted]

oh so its just foreigners who can be indefinetly detained without a trial, then everything awesome... the constitution doesnt seem to be worth the paper its written on

No, it's americans too.

[Catta]

No, it's americans too.

ah... well... then... carry on...
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[Nekhetyo]

Is it just me or is this similar to the Jingoism act from GTA4? (The police/military can arrest anyone that behaves non-American in order to reduce terrorism on friendly soil.)

[Adam Jensen]

Cmon guys, it's time you rise up over there and overthrow your corrupt Government, the bankers and the IRS.

I for one am looking forward to Civil War 2, 99% Boogaloo.

[Grimbold21]

So US citizens, when are you bringing "Democracy" into your own country?

[Jalhunter]

So US citizens, when are you bringing "Democracy" into your own country?

haha good one, i like how Ron Paul is the only one who would uphold the constitution but people wont vote for him because "hes against gay marriage" or some silly little thing so it makes me believe the cost of America's freedom and rights are little issues like gay marriage. Enjoy your police state.