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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    US death count: ~66,000
    North Vietnamese death count: ~2,000,000

    Yes, we got wrecked. /sarcasm
    he is probably not aware that part of a war is to inflict as much as possible casaulties to the enemy, on top of political objective.
    and that one wasn't lost at all, even if political goals weren't achieved.

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    Please excuse my ignorance, but are the events in the movie aladeen closely related to how things work in Syria? Many things that go on in the movie have been explained in the op.

    It's sad to hear how things are going on there. We should be more greatful of what we have where we live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gendi Abyad View Post
    People are dying while the world is watching. You can help.
    i'm sorry that your country is in tatters. i'm sorry that the people are suffering.

    but every time my country, the US, tries to help some other country, we're vilified. we're told to butt out. we're reviled, we're demonized, we're attacked for trying to lend aid.

    so, while i'm sorry - you can just fuck off. we try to help, we're screwed, we stay out of it, we're screwed. i'd prefer to be screwed while NOT spending trillions of dollars helping people that hate us.

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    Syria is not our businesses; the US and the West in general has nothing to gain and much to lose by intervening in Syria. What will happen is what always happen; you'll get a tinpot democratic government that lasts until Islamist 5th columnists take control of the government.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janzeer View Post
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    Why is every "person" in that video skin white like plastic. I mean I've never seen a dead person but I don't think they all turn out like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Syria is not our businesses; the US and the West in general has nothing to gain and much to lose by intervening in Syria. What will happen is what always happen; you'll get a tinpot democratic government that lasts until Islamist 5th columnists take control of the government.
    people's lives are nothing to gain? a chance at freedom is nothing to gain? that's disgusting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    people's lives are nothing to gain? a chance at freedom is nothing to gain? that's disgusting...
    You cannot apply domestic principles to international politics, period. Syria is not our business, and -we- have nothing to gain.
    Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam the Wiser View Post
    Why is every "person" in that video skin white like plastic. I mean I've never seen a dead person but I don't think they all turn out like that.
    the blood is no longer circulating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janzeer View Post
    [video=youtube;oBPVG_i8cko]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPVG_i8cko[video]
    Wasn't that supposed to explode when it hit the ground or something?

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    I really hope we do not get dragged into this, this is not our business and we should let them duke it out themselves. Thats the whole point of a civil war.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    I do sympathize with these so called terrorist organisations. As far as I'm concerned, at least they are fighting for something they believe in, and for what they see to be the greater good. They're not fighting to line the pockets of statesmen, governors and oil barons. I wish we could the same about the people on this side of the planet.
    Hobbes talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    I really hope we do not get dragged into this, this is not our business and we should let them duke it out themselves. Thats the whole point of a civil war.
    I'm starting to disagree. Assad is holding out longer than he really should have. It's even looking like he's got a shot at winning now. I say we shell the shit out of his compounds for a bit, then call it a day and see what the rebels do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    I'm starting to disagree. Assad is holding out longer than he really should have. It's even looking like he's got a shot at winning now. I say we shell the shit out of his compounds for a bit, then call it a day and see what the rebels do with it.
    That kind of attitude is why the USA gets called the world police, and since the UK is the 51st state we will get dragged into it as well. At most we should be supplying them with munitions and medical supplies, we should not start using our military to support one side during a civil war.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    I do sympathize with these so called terrorist organisations. As far as I'm concerned, at least they are fighting for something they believe in, and for what they see to be the greater good. They're not fighting to line the pockets of statesmen, governors and oil barons. I wish we could the same about the people on this side of the planet.
    Hobbes talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    That kind of attitude is why the USA gets called the world police, and since the UK is the 51st state we will get dragged into it as well. At most we should be supplying them with munitions and medical supplies, we should not start using our military to support one side during a civil war.
    So what if Assad wins? What then?

    Or worse, what if we're 20 years down the road and this war is still going?

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    We've lost enough soldiers in the middle east, and wasted enough money on "stabilising the region" (which was relatively stable until the CIA decided to go assassinate their leaders in the 70s and 80s in order to set up puppet regimes). I vote we keep the hell out of Syria. It isn't our fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    I'm starting to disagree. Assad is holding out longer than he really should have. It's even looking like he's got a shot at winning now. I say we shell the shit out of his compounds for a bit, then call it a day and see what the rebels do with it.
    So every family member and friend of those who died in the shit shelling can have US to blame? If our goal is to breed more terrorist, than by all means, shit shell every where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    So what if Assad wins? What then?

    Or worse, what if we're 20 years down the road and this war is still going?
    Let's look at our help with the Iraq v Iran war and what happened 20 years later. We are not the ones who decide if a foreign nation is happy with our interference. If we are the ones who install a government and it fails as it has before, we get the blame. We inherit the responsibility....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    So every family member and friend of those who died in the shit shelling can have US to blame? If our goal is to breed more terrorist, than by all means, shit shell every where.
    The French did basically the same thing for us. And France is more or less the only major nation that America has never gone to war with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    That kind of attitude is why the USA gets called the world police, and since the UK is the 51st state we will get dragged into it as well. At most we should be supplying them with munitions and medical supplies, we should not start using our military to support one side during a civil war.
    So instead of choosing a side to defend you would suggest we sell armaments to both sides for a profit?
    Either way it could be worse, we could be litting them kill the majority of each others forces before involving ourselves and conquering both parties areselves and asserting dominance to control said country under the guise of doing what we perceive as best for it's people.

    But yeah just be glad we play the big brother role and not the assertive parent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    The French did basically the same thing for us. And France is more or less the only major nation that America has never gone to war with.
    They even gave us a statue that lost all meaning. How about more recent history and what happened with out help to Iraq in their war vs Iran, 20 years later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidegrade View Post
    So instead of choosing a side to defend you would suggest we sell armaments to both sides for a profit?
    We give, not sell. You are also excluding medical supplies from his reply. He is on point, feed and provide medicine to the people. You make the people strong and come in with bread instead of guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyyn View Post
    So what if Assad wins? What then?

    Or worse, what if we're 20 years down the road and this war is still going?
    Fuck all to do with us, I am fed up of our troops being killed, crippled or traumatized for life trying to stabilize some shithole. The war in Afghanistan has been going on for 11 years now, the war in Iraq was almost 9 years. In that time we have had thousands of our troops lose their lives, limbs or minds at the same time driving our countries to be near bankrupt due to the cost.

    Let Syria sort their own shit out and let our troops have a few years rest, they have earned it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    I do sympathize with these so called terrorist organisations. As far as I'm concerned, at least they are fighting for something they believe in, and for what they see to be the greater good. They're not fighting to line the pockets of statesmen, governors and oil barons. I wish we could the same about the people on this side of the planet.
    Hobbes talking about Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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