How to achieve that next level of rogue dps?

[Novarx]

Now, I'm no slouch at rogue, been playing my rogue for 5 years now, and I'd like to say I'm above average to and excelling player at my class. I'm just curious as how people go from doing 32k, up to around 35-40k dps. I don't have logs to post at the moment, but I'm in that 34k+ ranged of dps, and I follow my rotations right, manage my cds properly time them so on and so forth. Any tips/tricks to better myself? (
-Novarx

[Synexlol]

A good UI/addon set up does wonders. If you find yourself noticing that Slice and Dice (or something) has dropped and think 'Oh crap I didn't notice that', you probably need a better UI.

[herpecin]

timing CDs with BG(if combat), having another rogue to trade tricks with, pre-potting, and having a raid that does more DPS.

[Tierbook]

is this the deathwing fight

[Baz]

I don't play my rogue that much, he's an alt just for the hell of it really, but I find that my dps stays much higher and consistent if Slice and Dice never goes down. So like the guy above me, if you're really pushing for max dps unlike me, I'd suggest getting one of those buff timer addons.

[ymirsson]

A good UI/addon set up does wonders. If you find yourself noticing that Slice and Dice (or something) has dropped and think 'Oh crap I didn't notice that', you probably need a better UI.

this a hundred times.
Class awareness and raid awareness are the two most important things to consider.

[Novarx]

I've got my UI set up the way I want it, needtoknow for buffs/debuffs, trick or treat for well ToT, Grid, omen, dbm, and I hide recount during boss attempts, then take a quick peak at my damage after to see what I'm doing, uptimes on stuff and what not. Herpecin, are you saying if the raid group as a whole does more dps I'll do more dps? I'd probably say I'm a little more concerned on what others are doing in my raid, because, well I'll be honest they need to have their hands held during raid encounters, so I guess you could say if I focused less on that and more pew pew I'd be able to pull higher numbers.

[Mastkhare]

A good UI/addon set up does wonders. If you find yourself noticing that Slice and Dice (or something) has dropped and think 'Oh crap I didn't notice that', you probably need a better UI.

If you are already managing your cds correctly and following rotation prios properly then i guess there are just a few minor things that help a lot at times. Like maximising your time at boss, only if you really need to move away from the boss or are asked to stop dps then ofcourse stop or else keep doing what you do..pewpew. For example when you are suppose to move away from the path of the ball at Lord Zon'ozz, instead of moving away just move to the tank side and keep yourself at the edge of his hitbox so that there is no danger of touching the ball. Also using BF intelligently helps a lot in increasing dps..for example at Yorsahj when the globules are about to immerge in the boss, those 2-3 secs of BF the adds also increases the dps (though it doesn't help anything in the fight but if you are really into epeening your dps ).

[autopsy]

.. are you saying if the raid group as a whole does more dps I'll do more dps? ...

Yes. Higher raid DPS = boss dies faster = higher perc. uptime during the fight for CDs like BL, faster transition into execute phase etc. The entire raid performance has a big effect on your personal damage output, be it optimal raid CD usage, tricks-swapping, debuff uptimes.

... Also using BF intelligently helps a lot in increasing dps..for example at Yorsahj when the globules are about to immerge in the boss, those 2-3 secs of BF the adds also increases the dps (though it doesn't help anything in the fight but if you are really into epeening your dps ).

I could stand in fire and dps boss more, healers can keep me up, right?
Pointless padding your numbers is bad, mmkay.

[jtstormrage]

Pointless padding your numbers is bad, mmkay.

Blade flurry is not always pointless. In the example given it was not pointless.

[Jarim]

Blade flurry is not always pointless. In the example given it was not pointless.

It is actually quite pointless in that example since the globules gets immune once one is killed.

[Mastkhare]

I could stand in fire and dps boss more, healers can keep me up, right?
Pointless padding your numbers is bad, mmkay.

I never said to stand in fire and keep dpsing till you die. Dead rogue does no dps. I just gave a random example...i agree i got it wrong there. Don't assume things yourself which are never said.

On the topic, a good example will be staying on Lord Zon'ozz (if your ranged are really good and they can kill eye,flail themselves) in heroic mode and BF the boss and claw. You can solo kill it if you have good gear and you saved your cds for Black Phase.

[Bovan]

I never said to stand in fire and keep dpsing till you die. Dead rogue does no dps. I just gave a random example...i agree i got it wrong there. Don't assume things yourself which are never said.

Oh the irony.
autopsy never said what you were assuming either.

[Rizo]

In my raid team ( i play combat rogue ) i really lack a frost dk or a ench shammy with wind fury totem and our hunter plays MM spec so i really miss the melee haste buff , the other night we had a frost dk from the guild join our team for the night , he normally plays in team2. At the very first boss fight i saw straight away the huge difference it made to my own dps . So i have been calling for a hunter to go survival more lol , but its little things like buffs , pre pots and the like will make the difference.

[Novarx]

Okay, so I was a little off with my numbers, I did 39k on morchokk normal, 50k+ on ping pong boi, 32k on tentacle porn boi. All in all though, I can say that everything that was said are helpful pointers, and there were a few things that I did overlook. I was actually quite pleased last night because my guild got a fresh and squeaky clean feral druid in raid last night, cheers to placing rupture back into my rupture at opportune times, i.e switching from boss to an add and what not. Cheers to you rogue community!
-Novarx

[Taiina]

Those are good numbers, I'm happy when I pull those on said bosses.

All our healers and tanks are sick of me talking abuot ranking and stuff, but really, if we rank it means we're performing damn well and helping the raid out moreso by maximising our output. I hate people who moan and bitch because we're trying to rank and get numbers whilst still performing the boss mechanics as well as the next person.

[Novarx]

Taiina I know how you feel mate, I strive the be the best I can, and push out every little ounce of dps I can, and try to make those around me better, my guild master is the one who runs logs, but I'll be frank, he forgets to turn the mod on all the time, so I can't go into WOL and nitpick my numbers everyday after raid, it's a shame cause WOL was/is a huge tool that's made me successful.

[Taiina]

Yes it is hugely valuable as a tool. Luckily for me our RL keeps it up every raid generally without fail and me and the Lock I compete with check it after every fight for ranks so if it isn't running, I'll hassle our RL or put it on myself.

The only time I disagree with people focusing on numbers is when they fail at boss mechanics becuase of it. That is the only time that it should be beaten out of someone!

[Novarx]

Sadly, we have people in my guild that don't pay attention to mechanics or numbers they pull, and don't get reprimanded for it because "they're good sociable people, and have been with the guild forever."

[Zene]

A good UI/addon set up does wonders. If you find yourself noticing that Slice and Dice (or something) has dropped and think 'Oh crap I didn't notice that', you probably need a better UI.

As was discussed, this! But also, I personally find adding sounds to my WeakAuras when slice and dice is about to drop 2-3s prior helpful, it makes a pinging noise to remind me. You're not always going to be staring at the timers specially when the raid mechanics get in the way, so you might miss these little things -- here an additional notification, in this case sound..or maybe for some a large see through icon flash, etc. can also help not just the static UI itself. (which still needs to be suitable)