Shatterer, Tequatl, Undead/ Ghost Ship. Each one of them is a DE that is 1. Large, 2. Difficult (tuned down for demos, 40 minutes is not enough to get OMFG good at a game, and people were still "wiping"), 3. Require thoughtful planning/ reaction.
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yet there are MMOs which engame aren't raids. come again.
But whatever, they're not even in closed beta yet (not till tomorrow) so we don't even know what all they have in store. Every bit of info they've released has been a cock tease, kind of like a burlesque show.
However, I don't want raids or bosses where I spend hours hitting my head against a wall because some jackass, guildy or not, can't get their god damn shit together, or because of some gimmicky mechanic. If I wanted a game of Logistics I'd go play an RTS. WoW has really burned me on raiding.
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"No mounts?! No raids?! No gear grinds?! This isn't an MMO hurrrr!!!"
MMO = Massive Multiplayer Online. If anything, the current model every other dev is running off of isn't an MMO model. Look at WoW; everything is streamlined and instanced. It's almost as if you're not even playing with other people most of the time. And you have the balls to say GW2 isn't an MMO because it doesn't have raids? You've gotta be beating your head against Blizzards dick, or something, "brah".
Seriously, GW2 is more of an MMO than anything out there at the moment. Almost every aspect of the game AT LEAST encourages group play on a more interactive level. Unlike that fail ass LFD and LFR tool WoW shat out. You guys can have your raids, just not in my game. Now take your holy trin faildom and GTFO.
Not sure about raids. But I would like to see some sort of max lvl endgame content.
Instanced raids, no. Large-scale dynamic events, however, sound like a whole lot of fun.
The x-factor in all this isn't rather GW2 will have a suitable endgame, it is how well playing that endgame is in practice.
ONLY IF raid rewards are NOT any better than what you can get with other content.
A raid finder would be nice too.
What you are wishing for kinda isn't practical. It's like that guy who was concerned about DEs taking over major cities. Yea, that doesn't really work out.I never said that's what I wanted. I'm feeling the same as you man, I hate what WoW has done to raiding. But you need to realize that's not what most of us are asking for. I never said time was the key to difficulty, I'm saying that sometimes it's fun when you can't do something the first few times around, so you have to work to bring yourself to a new level of skill and coordination to be able to do it. It's called taking time to better your gameplay skill. With it, comes reward. The harder you work for a reward just makes it sweeter when you finally get it.
It's been tried before in other MMOs. It's not an successful concept for gameplay.
Open world bosses that requires 200 people at least to down it in 15 minutes? Sure. Not instances, though.
I used to think it was called "MASSIVE Multiplayer Online RPG" for a very specific reason. Nowadays its more for show -- sounds better than "Multiplayer Online RPG"
- wyrd bið ful aræd -
I know many that couldn't when they should because they didn't want when they could.
Second point- no.
I'm not even going to get into how much raid/dungeon finders have ruined other games. It completely demolishes any sense of community or teamwork. What's the point of working with strangers you're never going to see again? It becomes the illusion of a single player game rather than an MMO.
As for the idea of loot, that's exactly my thinking as well. I know some people won't like the idea, so I'm in no way saying they should be necessary. I'm just saying it's good for the people who like longterm work towards a very large goal with some nice lore and storywork thrown into the mix.
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I wouldn't mind occasionally raiding in GW2, but to me GW2 is all about its PvP.
I'm going to do the same I did in Aion, PvP as soon as I log in, till I decide to log out.
I'm not a big fan of GW2 because of the PvE :P