Can a good person be a leader?

[Super Kami Dende]

Vladimir Putin is a generally good person, everything he does is pretty much to help out his country.

for the 8 years he was president he basically pulled Russia out of a terrible economy and increased their average wage from $80 to $640, while increasing the average workers rights and such.

He is generally looked at as "evil" because of most the western worlds grudges/misconceptions against Russia.

But as a leader there has probably been noone greater in the last 50 years. He also spent most of his presidency at above 65% approval rating, most of the time around 80% with his highest at 85%, which is more than any other political figure ever.

[dwarven]

It said "People follow a good person"...

Yea, but people can be misled.

[Syn22]

"Good" people would probably lack interest in being leaders.

So figures like, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, Joan of Arc, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi...all took up the mantle of leadership in one respect or the other - you wouldn't class them as "good"?

[TheImmortalLordAtlas]

So figures like, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, Joan of Arc, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi...all took up the mantle of leadership in one respect or the other - you wouldn't class them as "good"?

They didn't really try to be leaders. People just started following them.

[dwarven]

Vladimir Putin is a generally good person, everything he does is pretty much to help out his country.

for the 8 years he was president he basically pulled Russia out of a terrible economy and increased their average wage from $80 to $640, while increasing the average workers rights and such.

He is generally looked at as "evil" because of most the western worlds grudges/misconceptions against Russia.

But as a leader there has probably been noone greater in the last 50 years. He also spent most of his presidency at above 65% approval rating, most of the time around 80% with his highest at 85%, which is more than any other political figure ever.

He also used to be a colonel in the KGB, so he probably isn't a very good guy to be honest. I wouldn't trust an ex-CIA agent either.

[Syn22]

They didn't really try to be leaders. People just started following them.

What, Martin Luther King appeared in the subway one day and a bunch of black folk just started following him?

[MAGAmobile]

So figures like, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, Joan of Arc, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi...all took up the mantle of leadership in one respect or the other - you wouldn't class them as "good"?

Immortal beat me to it, but none of them went out of their way to actually lead, which is why I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that a *good* person can willingly become a leader.

[TheImmortalLordAtlas]

He also used to be a colonel in the KGB, so he probably isn't a very good guy to be honest. I wouldn't trust an ex-CIA agent either.

People followed Putin. Stop trying to ignore the statement that "people follow a good person".

[Adam Jensen]

He is generally looked at as "evil" because of most the western worlds grudges/misconceptions against Russia.

He's considered evil because he looks like a Bond villain

[Syn22]

Immortal beat me to it, but none of them went out of their way to actually lead, which is why I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that a *good* person can willingly become a leader.

No, every single one went out of their way to lead. All of them even put their lives on the line for their cause.

[Deleted]

"without lies or scandals"

Impossible.

[Adam Jensen]

Immortal beat me to it, but none of them went out of their way to actually lead, which is why I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that a *good* person can willingly become a leader.

Why not? A good person who wants to become a leader does it because he knows something needs to be fixed and he knows he can fix it. Martin Luther King knew there was something wrong with this nation and he knew how to fix it. So he took up the mantle.

He didn't lead because he wanted the power, he lead because he knew how to fix it, how to focus the black community's frustration properly and bring change to America.

[TheImmortalLordAtlas]

No, every single one went out of their way to lead. All of them even put their lives on the line for their cause.

Bold claim there. Especially when Joan of Arc was just listening to voices in her head and they killed her.

[giowatcher]

It's not a question of whether a good person can be a leader, but if a good person can make the decision to no longer be viewed as a person.

[Super Kami Dende]

He also used to be a colonel in the KGB, so he probably isn't a very good guy to be honest. I wouldn't trust an ex-CIA agent either.

You realise the KGB are just a Special Police Force, and not some super secret special forces guys that most Americans think they are. If he was Ex-Spetsnaz, than maybe it could have been bad, but his job in the KGB was just keeping hidden within border guards keeping an eye out for Traitors.

[ImpTaimer]

I'm glad people are taking my statement a little open.

It was meant to be misconstrued.

[xeddin]

For guilds, a leader is chosen, the best player, the most vocal and trust worthy. For pugs, well...i guess u gotta gamble

[Super Kami Dende]

For guilds, a leader is chosen, the best player, the most vocal and trust worthy. For pugs, well...i guess u gotta gamble

I've been in far to many guilds that prove otherwise to your statement.

[Grantley]

Vladimir Putin is a generally good person, everything he does is pretty much to help out his country.

for the 8 years he was president he basically pulled Russia out of a terrible economy and increased their average wage from $80 to $640, while increasing the average workers rights and such.

He is generally looked at as "evil" because of most the western worlds grudges/misconceptions against Russia.

But as a leader there has probably been noone greater in the last 50 years. He also spent most of his presidency at above 65% approval rating, most of the time around 80% with his highest at 85%, which is more than any other political figure ever.

Mr Putin may appear a buffoon from afar, but he has certainly presided over some serious improvements in the Russian standard of living.

Things will get interesting in Russia soon, though. Their energy based economy needs the oil price to stay over $110 to stay afloat. It's about $95 now and falling. Hopefully we won't see them extorting neighbours with gas cuts to make up the shortfall.

[MAGAmobile]

Why not? A good person who wants to become a leader does it because he knows something needs to be fixed and he knows he can fix it. Martin Luther King knew there was something wrong with this nation and he knew how to fix it. So he took up the mantle.

He didn't lead because he wanted the power, he lead because he knew how to fix it, how to focus the black community's frustration properly and bring change to America.

Yes and he caused some people to suffer as well, intentional or not. I thought this would go against a good person's morals, but maybe I'm being too uptight on the matter.