How to deal with info you'll get from news?

[Kaavis]

http://www,youtube.com/watch?v=MzjxZ...eature=related ( . is replaced with ,)

Funny how talk about Swedish health care changes into comment that Sweden has 50% tax rate.

I strongly suggest that everyone that are going to post in this thread, will take a good look in that link that i provided.

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Tsch. You see a tonne of misinformation spread about "Socialist Health Care" by America near constantly. I've seen a claim that people need to wait 6 months in the UK to get broken bones seen too. My wall now has a face shaped hole in it.

[BurningStick]

I dont think those journalists understand that not everyone in Sweden are paying the top-bracket tax.

[StormFX]

Tsch. You see a tonne of misinformation spread about "Socialist Health Care" by America near constantly. I've seen a claim that people need to wait 6 months in the UK to get broken bones seen too. My wall now has a face shaped hole in it.

So, by countering the misinformation you use misinformation?

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So, by countering the misinformation you use misinformation?

Such is the joy of verbal shenanigans in relation to rhetoric. It never, ever, gets old.

[Zecora]

Tsch. You see a tonne of misinformation spread about "Socialist Health Care" by America near constantly. I've seen a claim that people need to wait 6 months in the UK to get broken bones seen too. My wall now has a face shaped hole in it.

Mm, well...spread by certain groups of Americans subscribing to right-leaning political thought anyhow.

As for your face-shaped-wall-hole, put some shock-absorbing padding in there, paint "Face-wall interface receptacle" above it, and send it to the local art gallery (or market it to Nintendo as their next controller).

[Deleted]

So, by countering the misinformation you use misinformation?

Not really. 100% of the cases I've viewed of our countries' health system being criticized have been from America shows. There is no doubt in there, I have never PERSONALLY seen it criticized by anyone other than an American. That's not misinformation, that's a personal viewpoint fact.

As for your face-shaped-wall-hole, put some shock-absorbing padding in there, paint "Face-wall interface receptacle" above it, and send it to the local art gallery (or market it to Nintendo as their next controller).

:P

[Jackmoves]

Thats some serious misinformation they are spouting.
My tax is 32% of my sallery.

Edit: They are probably talking about what it costs someone to hire a person, because companies pay "arbetsgivaravgift" ... if you take my taxes and add that to what my employerer pays it gets closer to 50% but still not quite there.

[Adam Jensen]

Tsch. You see a tonne of misinformation spread about "Socialist Health Care" by America near constantly. I've seen a claim that people need to wait 6 months in the UK to get broken bones seen too. My wall now has a face shaped hole in it.

Teabaggers in my country are an embarrassment. If they looked outside our borders and saw how the "socialist commies" in Europe are living, their heads might just explode. I mean Sweden is what, #1 for quality of life and they've got socialist healthcare, schooling and everything else? Maybe instead of bashing soshulizms we should actually use Sweden as an example?

Oh wait sorry, the Republicans won't allow that. Jesus was against healthcare or something.

TDS did an episode on Sweden a year or so ago. It was pretty funny. Wyatt Cynac was going off on the evils of available healthcare and free higher education.

[Jaxi]

Oh wait sorry, the Republicans won't allow that. Jesus was against healthcare or something.

I've found it so very interesting how the 1% of the radicals that pull the religious card on everything are ALWAYS the ones quoted by the other side. Many of us are religious and in turn we base our morals on that religious foundation, but stop saying we quote the bible for everything. It's getting annoying already and only shows your ignorance of our position.
I'm not necessarily against it, but my main concern with universal health care is if my money is going to pay for other people's health care, do I get a say in the lifestyle they live? Why should I pay for someone who is an obese chain smoker that eats fast food on a daily basis? If you are going to receive aid from someone else, it is customary to return the favor; in this case I believe it would be proper for the patient to make a concerted effort to improve their health. They need to meet us halfway.

[Deleted]

My tax is 32% of my sallery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden
there's more to taxes than "inkomstskatt"

not to mention we have progressive taxing on top of that.

but my main concern with universal health care is if my money is going to pay for other people's health care, do I get a say in the lifestyle they live? Why should I pay for someone who is an obese chain smoker that eats fast food on a daily basis?

I never quite understood why Americans generally have such a hard time getting around the idea of collective systems.
I pay money to the government to be able to use the services they supply at any given time. The government does not wish to make a maximal profit but rather zero out or have enough money for future investments, therefore I am getting the "biggest bang for my buck", so to speak.

A private company wishes to make an as huge profit as possible in 99.9% of the cases.

See the difference?

All in all it's not so much "I am paying for someone else" but rather "I am paying to be eligible for the system when I need it myself".
You do the same through insurances, and the insurance we're getting from the government covers anything, no small print.

a stereotypical argument that comes flying at this point is usually "well why do you pay for the people who do not work? they're not contributing to society!" and the answer is rather easy:
everyone is expected to work but at the same time everyone can be kicked to the ground, lose their job, wife and so forth. since when did a little compassion hurt?

[Jackmoves]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden
there's more to taxes than "inkomstskatt"

not to mention we have progressive taxing on top of that.

Yeah I know, I never thought of arbetsgivaravgift etc as my personal taxes though. :P

[Adam Jensen]

I've found it so very interesting how the 1% of the radicals that pull the religious card on everything are ALWAYS the ones quoted by the other side. Many of us are religious and in turn we base our morals on that religious foundation, but stop saying we quote the bible for everything. It's getting annoying already and only shows your ignorance of our position.

First of all, that was sarcasm. Secondly and more importantly, it was a comment about how the Right always comes up with some nonsensical argument against healthcare. Healthcare is something that everyone, regardless of income, needs. And if Sweden can do it, why can't we? Sweden is the proof of concept.

I'm not necessarily against it, but my main concern with universal health care is if my money is going to pay for other people's health care, do I get a say in the lifestyle they live? Why should I pay for someone who is an obese chain smoker that eats fast food on a daily basis? If you are going to receive aid from someone else, it is customary to return the favor; in this case I believe it would be proper for the patient to make a concerted effort to improve their health. They need to meet us halfway.

They pay taxes, you pay taxes. They get those services, you get those services. How is it not fair? Everyone puts money in, and they get services when they need it.

I'll pay higher taxes if it results in a higher quality of life.

[Zecora]

They pay taxes, you pay taxes. They get those services, you get those services. How is it not fair? Everyone puts money in, and they get services when they need it.

"From each according to means, to each according to needs". It's a fundamentally good basis for any system, where you contribute no more than you are able to, and you receive no more than you need -and when you couple it with a mixed economy like Sweden's, it works (Oh, I'm sure some will claim that "it's not the same, since Sweden is such a little country"...yes, it is smaller, but here's the thing: There is economy in scale!).

Like you point out, EVERYONE needs healthcare at some point, and the nation will profit from a healthier workforce when people are able to afford a visit to their doctor before they are 100% certain that they are ill (which might be too late).

[Adam Jensen]

"From each according to means, to each according to needs". It's a fundamentally good basis for any system, where you contribute no more than you are able to, and you receive no more than you need -and when you couple it with a mixed economy like Sweden's, it works (Oh, I'm sure some will claim that "it's not the same, since Sweden is such a little country"...yes, it is smaller, but here's the thing: There is economy in scale!).

Like you point out, EVERYONE needs healthcare at some point, and the nation will profit from a healthier workforce when people are able to afford a visit to their doctor before they are 100% certain that they are ill (which might be too late).

From Each According to His Needs is from Karl Marx, who more or less invented communism. With that said, I've always felt that the best way to run a nation is to have a capitalist economy with a socialist system in place to form a safety net and to take care of the basic needs of the citizenship. Sweden is one of the nations that are beginning to show that this is possible.

Certainly we can't copy and paste what Sweden does into our system, but we can certainly figure out how to make it work to fit the needs of the United States.

That's not going to happen until the people stop listening to a media and a congress who are bought and paid for by Wall Street.

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Don't deal with it seriously. Take it as entertainment. the Daily Mail is my favorite.

[Adam Jensen]

Don't deal with it seriously. Take it as entertainment. the Daily Mail is my favorite.

Faux News is mine. It's hilarious, the shit they get away with.

Romney is now Obama:



Obama Bin Laden is dead:



8.6 = 9 and 8.6 > 8.8

[Deleted]

Don't deal with it seriously. Take it as entertainment. the Daily Mail is my favorite.

Indeed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFACtHNVan4&feature=

Faux News is mine. It's hilarious, the shit they get away with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

The Daily Mail pretty much the Fox News of Britain; although it's taken a hell-of-a-lot less seriously.

[Caiada]

News is for information, not the opinions, conclusions, or inferences that come with it. I can't think of a news outlet that does that completely right every time. Youtube comments are the worst people on the Internet. Discussing other nations is irrelevant and sort of stupid, unless you're talking about foreign policy. Using the political 'curse words' (e.g. socialism) is plain stupid all the time, unless the categorization's absolutely necessary.

[Adam Jensen]

News is for information, not the opinions, conclusions, or inferences that come with it. I can't think of a news outlet that does that completely right every time. Youtube comments are the worst people on the Internet. Discussing other nations is irrelevant and sort of stupid, unless you're talking about foreign policy. Using the political 'curse words' (e.g. socialism) is plain stupid all the time, unless the categorization's absolutely necessary.

I think the best way to negate this is, to read from multiple sources and go by whichever facts are common in the majority.