No'Kaled, the Elements of Death and Vengenace vs Fear and Vengeance

[Rashi]

So I got this axe today in normal DW and I have seen some High End rogue using this main hand instead of Fear, Will this improve or Decrese my dps?
What I lose is basacly loads of agi+stats and the 80 agi set bonus, What i get is High dmg proc and higher max dmg

Thanks.

[martinkaca]

From what I have seen, the Axe is better then even the T2 quest daggers. If you have the normal axe use it. I have also heard the Raid Finder one is better then the T1 quest daggers but that one im not sure on.

[Rashi]

I should also add that I got the dagger aswell from DW same raid maybe both is better than stage one daggers?

[martinkaca]

If they are normal mode that may be, but definitely not for combat. Not sure about the DW dagger for the other specs, it is a higher ilvl but the quest daggers have pretty good stat weights and the proc.

[Rashi]

What I ment was using the normal dagger+ the Normal Axe rather than T1 of Daggers, or is the axe supperior for Combat in main hand with vengeance for offhand?

[Maelstrom51]

Normal mode No'Kaled >>> first stage legendaries.
Even normal mode Mace of Heroic Will is a little better than the first stage legendaries.

[martinkaca]

Seeing as the dagger is a 1.8 speed it would be a terrible idea. If I remember correctly, for combat it would even be an upgrade to use a 333 ilvl 1.4 speed dagger in your off hand over that. Axe in your MH, and then the fast dagger in your OH.

[Maelstrom51]

What I ment was using the normal dagger+ the Normal Axe rather than T1 of Daggers, or is the axe supperior for Combat in main hand with vengeance for offhand?

Vengeance is better than the normal mode offhand.

[Sephius]

No'kaled + stage 1 offhand is best in slot until you get both stage 2 daggers, which beat everything pretty much.

[martinkaca]

No'kaled + stage 1 offhand is best in slot until you get both stage 2 daggers, which beat everything pretty much.

Last I checked, they were actually putting Normal mode No'Kaled ahead of the stage 2 daggers.

[Exostential]

I don't post much and don't mean to sound rude but it is worth mentioning that this same question gets posted in a thread almost daily. Its worth it to check older threads and see the discussion there.

[Rashi]

I don't post much and don't mean to sound rude but it is worth mentioning that this same question gets posted in a thread almost daily. Its worth it to check older threads and see the discussion there.

your right going to do that next time, Thanks for all the replys so far tho!

[nzall]

Seeing as the dagger is a 1.8 speed it would be a terrible idea. If I remember correctly, for combat it would even be an upgrade to use a 333 ilvl 1.4 speed dagger in your off hand over that. Axe in your MH, and then the fast dagger in your OH.

sorry, but the OH dagger from the legendaries is 1.4 speed. if you mean the DW dagger, it's true that that's 1.8, but there's another dagger from hagara the stormbinder.

[martinkaca]

sorry, but the OH dagger from the legendaries is 1.4 speed. if you mean the DW dagger, it's true that that's 1.8, but there's another dagger from hagara the stormbinder.

He said he just got the dagger off deathwing so we were talking bout the 1.8 speed one.

[Coldkil]

Following chart should result pretty good, Shadowcraft modeling OF THE AXE isn't perfect.

stage 1 < LFR axe < stage 2 <= normal axe < heroic axe < legendary

Yeah, the axe is so much stronger. Last part of the chart should be good enough since i expect the legendaries at least to be better than any other weapon in DS.

[nzall]

He said he just got the dagger off deathwing so we were talking bout the 1.8 speed one.

wait, are we still talking about the OP? he mentioned he got the axe of DW. i can't see anything about de DW dagger.

[martinkaca]

Look at his first reply, he states he also got the dagger and wonders if he should use that as well.

[Reconsider]

Look at his first reply, he states he also got the dagger and wonders if he should use that as well.

No, he states he.got the AXE off deathwing; and he was wondering if he should use it over fear which is the stg1 dagger. Which also scales well with combat.

OT: Im using the axe personally, Ive seen an increase in dps; but I'm still currently playing with it

[Sporky0]

No, he states he.got the AXE off deathwing; and he was wondering if he should use it over fear which is the stg1 dagger. Which also scales well with combat.

OT: Im using the axe personally, Ive seen an increase in dps; but I'm still currently playing with it

No, he states that he ALSO got the dagger from DW in the same raid

I should also add that I got the dagger aswell from DW same raid maybe both is better than stage one daggers?

[mercutiouk]

Seeing as the dagger is a 1.8 speed it would be a terrible idea. If I remember correctly, for combat it would even be an upgrade to use a 333 ilvl 1.4 speed dagger in your off hand over that. Axe in your MH, and then the fast dagger in your OH.

If you'd even bothered to look at the stats card on wowhead for the daggers they thought of that already. Sinister Strike and Hemo are buffed if using the daggers - handilly to a point where they equal a 2.6 weapon with the same stats...

In answer though - yes, No'Kaled is better than the mainhand dagger. Considering a tiny part of the ilvl will have gone to the set bonus a dagger with better offhand stats (mastery for assas, haste then mastery for combat) would likely be better. As the offhand has a good amount of haste AND mastery AND expertise (all good stats for combat) it is likely a decent option.