Soooo many trolls especially hunterxbro. Please just ignore him it's clear from all his post he's just trying to stir up shit. Gratz Kin i was rooting for paragon to make a comeback but it's nice to see someone new.
they raid 7 times a week... 2 a day or something? Man. Sorry to say but if that's true: get a life!
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography"
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
What has been established:
- Their double lockouts for were FL only
- Their double lockouts did not have any effect on the number of DWs attained
- #2 has already been categorically itemized by a poster above, by date. A number of their DWs were created through PUGs or absorbed through recruitment
- They identified a requirement (heavy burst) and geared/recruited/specced for it
Know what all of this amounts to? They played the game better and got the big W first. Class stacking has always been a viable strategy - since Vanilla. I, a veteran rogue in our guild, who was present for world first Vanilla Ragnaros, had to sit out on one of the first of few Ony40 kills in the world because they needed a non-guildy hunter for the air phase. Was I butt hurt a bit by it afterwards? Sure, but my guildleader was leading a world first progression guild, not a "everyone come out and play the class you have the most fun with and let's have fun killing the boss!!!1" guild.
Is anything stopping Paragon/Blood Legion from recruiting a couple out-of-guild mages or sub rogues to ease spine? Nope. If they identified the need for burst early on and didn't do anything proactive about it, then they weren't truly playing for world first. If they did identify this, and the classes did show up, and they still don't have a kill, then it's a failure to execute. If they were executing near-perfect but a member was underperforming, then they should have immediately replaced them. None of this is the # of dragonwraths or FL lockouts. This is failure to do what needed to be done for a world first kill. This goes for any guild. Anyone not acknowledging this is willfully ignorant.
I did want to touch on the question of race, since it has been directly or indirectly brought up because of this. I was a competitive gamer for quite some time prior. I played 1v1 and TDM competitively in Quake 2, 3 and 4(lol4) and then raided competitively in EverQuest & WoW. There are a couple certainties I've learned from both genres: EU teams are traditionally amazing at communication and 'group think', and Asian teams are traditionally amazing at individual execution. Am I surprised a Korean guild took world first? Hell no. There was an asian EQ raiding guild back in the day (Arirang) that was something like 13 people two/three boxing players and keeping up relatively well in the server raiding circuit.
KIN Raiders identified the need for burst, satisfied the burst check through whatever means possible and then executed the fight(s) perfectly. They did what needed to be done for the kill, so congrats to them.
spine of deathwing heroic = around 300 attempts
madness of deathwing heroic = killed at 108th attempt
source from playforum interview on kin raiders after the kill
Big gratz, somewhat unexpected but very welcomed. Hoping for a continued place in the first place in the future!
Only if you could have played on english realms so understanding your kill videos would have been a tad bit easier
Any other top guild out there haves all their casters with legendaries... They all have the same amount of legendaries.
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I approve this. Same thing I've been thinking...
But the game is 7 years old if you have been playing for 7 years (or any other mmo like EQ lets say) You think things might get old. You think that things would be the same over those 7 years? If so you're nuts, evolve or die doesn't just apply to biology.
It also saddens me how so many people here are too lazy to read ANYTHING, and just make their "lol 19 legendaries" posts and never realize how wrong they are.
Or maybe there is no solution other than like you said, make it super hard. I don't know. If I had the answer, I would be a game designed.
Anyone else getting a laugh at all these sore losers trying to dig up anything they can to make this world first seem less epic, or not count? Can't a guild just be, I dunno, good? As soon as Paragons name isn't in the title its suddenly a giant conspiracy. Losing sucks, but get over it I say and give these guys a damn high five for cleaning house!
Gratz again guys
Class stacking is clearly hacking... Damn those Koreans for stacking Mages.... or