May I suggest you try those Asian MMOs rather then cry over different direction western MMOs have taken the gameplay? Variation is a good thing, and those of us who didn't like the perpetual leveling actually like end game- centric gameplay.
PvP has a very high skill ceiling in this game, especially with the advent of the animation weaving ridiculousness in yesterday's blog post. Anet definitely has PvP covered on this front imo.
The phenomenon of endgame as goal was popularized & refined by Warcraft almost totally. Aside from pace of combat, the 2nd great innovation Blizzard brought to the market was slimming down the errata of previous MMOs. Cutting to the chase of drawn out leveling ala previous MMOs invariably lead to their major focus.
I am actually quite a big fan of Asian MMOs, but in the interest of not going too far off-topic we can talk about stuff like Megaten, PWI, Jade and RO and TOF some other time.
Heh, you're not very good at forums. I am saying I hate leveling as a process. I want the "endgame" in MMOs to be from word go alreadyMay I suggest you try those Asian MMOs rather then cry over different direction western MMOs have taken the gameplay? Variation is a good thing, and those of us who didn't like the perpetual leveling actually like end game- centric gameplay.
Wow has tons of content but the design makes most of it irrelivent as you cant see more than 1/6th of it on any particular leveling run and its boring to go back at high level. Many of the dungeons and raids of past expansions may as well not exist for anything but nostalgia due to level and gear inflation. All end game content funnles into a very small point, a point that bliz is either unable or unwilling to expand at a rate that would be acceptable to players without heavy handed use of skinner-box mechanics.
Who is John Galt?
To a degree power creep isn't that bad at early MMOs- but after 7+ years it's just escalated to the point of MEGADAMAGE. This is even a problem with EQ, I went back recently and areas that once required a full raid are trivial now and soloable.
Think MMOs being attached to the gear cycle for too long will always lead to this situation. Scaling, side kicking and so on are powerful tools I hope we see more of in games. Yea, I know some MMOs already have such features but it's far from the norm.
The whole, "All of the game is endgame" is an immensely intriguing concept for me.
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And this relates to the thread how? Please post constructively. Infracted. -Edge
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I suppose I should have been more obvious.
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Some of the dungeons are are hard as WoW heroic raids. And some of the bosses, I think the special ones, are tuned for 10 players up and have quite a bit of tactics attached to them that all most be followed.
In PvE I'm content with flashy weapon skins, armor skins, titles, minipets and clearing/exploring content with other players.
In WoW, having gear progression in PvP was really annoying. Every season you had to get all the new gear or you would suffer from a great disadvantage.
But in the end it only meant you would one-shot newbies in BGs even more easily (and baddies owning your fresh alts even more easily ) since all real competitors would grind the new gear as well.. So in the end, everyone just wasted time grinding the new seasons gear. Unless you feel skilled owning undergeared people of course.
Hardcore players aren't hardcore players because they want the best rewards. They play that much because they like what they are doing and to get better.
It's rather depressing that this misconcept exists at all. I blame all the damn MMOs where the endgame is simply the vertical item progression.
Content is what's really important and from what we know GW2 has a lot of it!
References: top guilds in WoW raiding between raiding tiers after race is over. Arena players not really playing with any meaningful effort between seasons.
Casual players on the other hand often enjoy the act of playing itself, rather then striving to achieve goals.
It isn't simply goals- hardcore players are attracted to the prestige & exclusivity of those goals. The desire to work on a singular boss for 16+ hours weekly is fueled not so much by the carrot or the simple goal of killing the boss- but the fact only a handful would be able to do so at the highest level progression.
The thing that does link hardcore people together is not a specific goal, but general presence of a difficult goal and lengths they're willing to go to achieve those goals.
nothing I have seen indicates anywhere that all content is available to everyone from the beginning, quest still have lvl suggestion and you won't be able to do a lvl 50 quest at lvl 10, not sure about dungeons, but I will probably work in the same way
so no, all content isn't available to everyone from the beginning