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    LS / DS Event coming

    Another WTF event is coming from SWTOR along with BW's moronic content think tank.

    This time you have to not only do old content but you have to do it with a newly created toon. It has very little to do wtih LS/DS choice other than what companion you might get. It claims your choices will determine the state of the galaxy but BW hasn't done anything that big since the game started.

    Not just that but if you want to complete the event and reach the end rewards, you have to level all 8 toons to 50. At this point, most likely all 8 AGAIN. 2 of them must also reach level 65.


    Seen the stories, Seen the planets. Seen the missions. Got the Achievements, Played the FP and PVP zones and GSF. Seen it all after 5 years to present. NOW it's, do it again with a new toon and do it 8 times to level 50 and higher.

    BW seems to not have the ability to put much effort on anything.

    I've seen BW pull some really shitty things from not putting out content to not fixing bugs to their over reliance on old content.

    But damn this is a new low for BW in my eyes.

    Check it out if you have any interest.

    http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20160623
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    This Event sounds insane but also very fun.

    I love that they are giving incentives to level new characters
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    I like the idea. Will be appealing to new players, and an incentive to all current players to level new characters and 'go out' to the world.

    Why is this bad again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel SnackyCakes View Post
    This Event sounds insane but also very fun.

    I love that they are giving incentives to level new characters
    I disagree with you.

    It sounds like busy work your teacher used to give you. It means nothing, has no value except to keep you busy.

    I'm not even sure this qualifies as an event given there isn't anything new to actually do that comes with it. It's just grind what you have already done. After spending all this time in the game and progressing your characters in a game based on progression BW's idea was:

    Please re-read and re-play the story you did.
    Please re-do all the FP (tactical and HM), please redo.
    Please re-do all the crafting professions.
    Please re-do all the level of every class to 50 (2 of which need to get to 65 do SOR and allof KotFE)

    Nothing but busy work. I see the insanity but I don't see the fun at this point in the games life to just redo it all.

    Has there really ever been a time when re-hashing old content was the staple new event?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    I disagree with you.

    It sounds like busy work your teacher used to give you. It means nothing, has no value except to keep you busy.
    So... like the whole MMO genre?

    Tbh I don't care if you disagree or don't like it, I'm going to try and go for the legendary anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel SnackyCakes View Post
    So... like the whole MMO genre?
    You mean the ones that lose players because nothing new came out? That MMo genre?

    Tbh I don't care if you disagree or don't like it, I'm going to try and go for the legendary anyway.
    Have at it. It has no interest to me give the time vs reward then you add in just what they expect you to redo after being in the game this long and well the whole thing just gets worse.

    But hey, if you want to give it a go. Enjoy.
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    I can certainly see why people are getting upset at it, but I do think for the most part they are overreacting. It's just BW trying to incentivize people to keep subbing while they are working on the next set of story chapters. If it does not interest you, then don't play. It's not like this is really taking the place of anything else. And it will work as well. It is going to get me to come back and sub for a bit and level a couple new characters. Granted, I was likely going to sub again soon anyways as I was waiting until there was a good amount of chapters released but still it will keep me subbed longer than I would have otherwise.

    As for the event, it's really only the final tier that is madness to me. Other then that, I actually like the way it is set up. I find that I enjoy things like this when I have goals to work towards. What can I say? Seeing bars fill up and things get checked off of a list is rewarding. It seems like the perfect thing for me to come home after work and spend a couple hours working on checking things off of the list while listening to podcasts or audio books or something.

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    I'm at work and can't sign into the website to see the breakdown of how to complete the different levels.. can anyone do a copy paste here to see a breakdown of what it takes to complete the different levels up through Legendary?

    I agree with @quras about it being a sorry excuse for an event, and being lazy in the extreme (there's no new content..at all, just rewards for something many people have already done like 8 times, but...I honestly really do enjoy this game and won't have any problems logging in and participating in this event because it does give me an incentive to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    I'm at work and can't sign into the website to see the breakdown of how to complete the different levels.. can anyone do a copy paste here to see a breakdown of what it takes to complete the different levels up through Legendary?

    I agree with @quras about it being a sorry excuse for an event, and being lazy in the extreme (there's no new content..at all, just rewards for something many people have already done like 8 times, but...I honestly really do enjoy this game and won't have any problems logging in and participating in this event because it does give me an incentive to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    I like the idea. Will be appealing to new players, and an incentive to all current players to level new characters and 'go out' to the world.

    Why is this bad again?
    What about the longterm folks that have dozens of characters maxed out and no additional character slots on their server of choice? What about the folks who want something else to do since the only longterm content in Fallen Empire so far has been Eternal Championship thingy?

    And the "max" reward requirements are ludicrous. I'm all for providing an incentive to level a few alts or something, but needing to level 8 plus reach all those other goals in the time? They're pushing the sale of boosts hard. Not to mention I find it pretty hilarious that they're putting emphasis on the light/dark system that's been all but abandoned since launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    This should have a breakdown of everything:
    http://dulfy.net/2016/06/23/swtor-li...e/#more-153695
    Ho-ly shit.... I've already done everything on that list at least once if not twice. Now they're expecting people to do a large portion of it on at least two ADDITIONAL characters, and a small part of it on 8? Absolutely ridiculous.

    Cool for new people I guess, but it fucking blows for people like me who have been around a while. There's no fucking way I'm going to level all 8 classes again, max out crew skills, run every single Flashpoint and Operation, participate in multiple World boss Kills and seasonal events (Gree, Bounty Hunter, etc...) on multiple characters.

    This is very clearly targeted at new/ newer players, and veterans are getting hosed. Seriously, fuck EA, they've made it abundantly clear (it always was, but now it's just so transparent...) that they just care about the money, they don't care about the players or the game.
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    Love this idea, and seriously looking forward to it. But only because of the changes to leveling. I HATED leveling the first time around. It was arduous and arbitrarily difficult. And the quests were miserable the second or third time through.

    Leveling was easy for bounty hunters, who began the game with a healer companion and heavy armor. Mako was amazing, and I don't think I died until I was running a flashpoint with just players. Leveling was a nightmare for anyone with light armor and a tank companion. Companion tanks couldn't pull aggro from my pet, much less my character when I'm trying to kill something. And god forbid you select an operative or scoundrel, which turns a range class into melee. Honestly, the advanced classes are still stupid. People should pick this at character creation.

    Since the last expansion, though, companions have been buffed and allowed to fill any role you need. And they are more effective in their roles than many players out there until the last two expansions. Plus experience has been streamlined to require only class quests and planet quests. And many quest givers have been moved to flight path destinations and quick travel locations so you aren't required to explore anything outside of the storyline.

    The only people that should be unhappy about this are the free players Edge referenced that have filled up all of their slots. Everyone can agree, BW has always been trying to screw them over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parrin View Post
    SNIP.....

    The only people that should be unhappy about this are the free players Edge referenced that have filled up all of their slots. Everyone can agree, BW has always been trying to screw them over.
    More than free players should be upset. Its bad enough BW player retention content is in the shitter but this event revolves around making new toons. Not just free players are in that boat but subs as well. I know I don't have any free slots open after this long in the game.

    Either I spend real money to buy 2 slots or millions of credits to in game to buy character slots and thats just if I wanted to participate. Thats pretty "F"ed up.

    Then you tack on redoing all 8 classes again, all crafting professions again (thats some WTF horrible game play alone), all tacticals again, all HM FP again and for achievements subs have already acquired. The cluster "F" just keeps adding up.

    The ls/ds repeat old content again is a screwing for both free players (for your reasons) and old players (for mine). Of course you don't have to participate in it really because after all there is so much new to do in the rest of the game..... (thats a lie, there nothing new except maybe eternal championship and thats short lived solo content.)
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    Event seems interesting to me. Lots of work, but the prizes seem like they could be great. I'm thinking of getting stuck in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quras View Post
    More than free players should be upset. Its bad enough BW player retention content is in the shitter but this event revolves around making new toons. Not just free players are in that boat but subs as well. I know I don't have any free slots open after this long in the game.

    Either I spend real money to buy 2 slots or millions of credits to in game to buy character slots and thats just if I wanted to participate. Thats pretty "F"ed up.

    Then you tack on redoing all 8 classes again, all crafting professions again (thats some WTF horrible game play alone), all tacticals again, all HM FP again and for achievements subs have already acquired. The cluster "F" just keeps adding up.

    The ls/ds repeat old content again is a screwing for both free players (for your reasons) and old players (for mine). Of course you don't have to participate in it really because after all there is so much new to do in the rest of the game..... (thats a lie, there nothing new except maybe eternal championship and thats short lived solo content.)
    I was totally fine with this event until I read up on it and realized the amount of effort it would take to actually max out these stupid LS/DS level achievement things. Playing another 1-2 classes wouldn't be so bad as I wouldn't mind leveling a BH, Warrior, Knight or Agent...but all 8 classes to at least 50, with 2 of them having to go through all of the expansions and all of the KotFE stuff.... fuuuuck that.

    I've already done all this... I would have leveled 1-2 characters for fun because of the reward. But there's no new content here, just new rewards. Which means this is clearly targeted at getting more new players and shitting on veterans who can't or just flat out won't do this because we've already done it all.

    This tells me that the company clearly doesn't give two shits about it's veteran players, only cares about the money it can make from new players, and has little to no interest in actually adding additional content to the game veterans care about. Very frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What about the longterm folks that have dozens of characters maxed out and no additional character slots on their server of choice? What about the folks who want something else to do since the only longterm content in Fallen Empire so far has been Eternal Championship thingy?
    Boo hoo? Don't play it?

    This is what I point out as a main source of MMO community toxicity these days, everyone feels entitled to everything.
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    I think the most shocking part of the whole thing is the level of rage it has generated. If you're honestly shocked and disappointed about this type of content from this development team I'm not sure what to tell you. This is hardly a new low, just another notch on the same disappointment tree. They just aren't going to spend real development time when they can be highly profitable just selling reskinned crap on the CM. F2P both killed and saved the game. It would've shut down years ago without it, but they also learned they can still make large profits with minimal investment.

    That being said... I'll probably do everything up to the eternal rank. That's not that much time or effort, but I don't really see any reason for a veteran player to do legendary. If you've been playing for more than a year you probably have most of the stuff coming out of those packs already. The mount will probably get re-skinned and put in a CM pack.

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    Looking forward to this, I'll probably shoot for Eternal tier.

    It's something to do between seasons for some nice rewards, beats the hell out of some MMO's 14-month long droughts of nothing at all
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    the fact that rewards are BoP, and yet HAVE to be earned on new characters, the fact that your main cannot participate is just icing on a cake of "event" that brings with it self virtually no new content (if you count 5 new datacrons as content).

    I mean... they actualy suggested that people
    a)create characters on a new server (which means rewards like decorations/dyes/tunings/titles/mounts/pet are even more useless... unless you buy one of them 1000 cartel coin transfers... or another character slot... assuming you don't have those maxed out already)
    b) level characters to 50 and then delete them.

    :/

    I didn't think they could sink lower than Casino event.

    I was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel SnackyCakes View Post
    Boo hoo? Don't play it?

    This is what I point out as a main source of MMO community toxicity these days, everyone feels entitled to everything.

    At this point in the game I'm actually afraid you're right. Gamers will simply choose to not play SWTOR and while that seems to be some kind of argument to this BS "busy work" design. It doesn't do this game much good to have more gamers leave it. Player retention is down the tubs as it is.

    AND....

    No one feels entitled to it. They just don't feel that having already done it (and already more than once for many at this point) while playing the game they should do it again. Especially so when it comes to re-leveling all 8 classes to 50 (2 to 65) as well as re-leveling all 6 crafting professions. I mean, who the hell thought redoing all the crafting professions was some amazing game play?

    You can't be so dense to not see that.

    An event that does nothing but say the last 5 years means nothing. Do it again. There is a certain WTF is wrong with them attached to that kind of game event design.
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